Ep 70: Life After Suboxone: Scarlett’s Raw and Real Kratom Journey

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I just think it's important that
people do realize like it's a

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tool.
That's how I feel about it

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anyway.
And I don't know, just like

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anything, you know, don't like
abuse it.

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So I think it's good that I
because like when I was taking

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it after the Suboxone, I was
taking probably like 20 of them

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a day or something.
But when I take it now, once in

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a while, I take like 4 to 6 for
the day and then, you know, but

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yeah, so basically, yeah, that's
where I'm at with it.

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If I'm like really struggling
with the chronic pain and energy

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I have like.
I don't know, I.

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Just have very low energy
sometimes and yeah for working

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so I feel like it does help me
to get through so.

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So I'm here with Scarlett to
have her come on the podcast and

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share her personal journey with
Kratom.

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Scarlett, thank you so much for
taking the time from your Camp

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for life to come be on the
podcast and and talk to our

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community.
First, let's kind of get to know

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you a bit.
So tell us about yourself and

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life before Kratom you know came
along.

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Well, should I start from the
beginning or?

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However far back you want to go
just to paint the picture of

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your life before kratom.
OK, well, basically I grew.

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Up in an army family, my parents
were both in the army and it was

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interesting whatever.
I came from an abusive home and

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that kind of propelled me into
immediately using drugs as a

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teenager, just to keep it short.
I mean, plus, you know, mental

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issues that go along with that
and trauma and stuff.

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So yeah, I was kind of in and
out of mental hospitals and

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stuff, 'cause my parents kept
putting me in there.

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I felt like they just like,
didn't want to deal with the

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reality of what was going on and
just kind of act like I'm crazy

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or something.
But whatever, it is what it is.

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So yeah, I started shooting
heroin when I was like 16 And

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yeah, it, I mean, I had started
using other drugs like when I

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was 13 and I was like, I lived
in DC at the time, so it was

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easily available just like a lot
of the drugs.

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And yeah, I mean, that basically
started a 22 year heroin

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addiction and pretty much like
everything else too, you know,

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coke, meth, you name it.
And yeah, so kind of Fast

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forward, you know, like I said,
years and years of that and then

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I finally had gotten on to
Suboxone.

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I did like the methadone clinic
for a while in my late 20s and

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then Suboxone came out and I had
an ex-boyfriend that was on it.

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So he kind of coaxed me to get
off the methadone onto the

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Suboxone, which was a much
better option at the time, I

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feel like.
But yeah, so basically I slowly

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kind of started to get it
together.

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It took me a while.
I mean, even when I was on the

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Suboxone, I was still like using
other drugs, not opiates, but

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other stuff.
And I was kind of just, you

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know, back and forth.
I had a a good meth run there

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for like a good five years and
then sorry, it just makes me a

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little emotional talking about.
It I can understand.

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I mean, take your time and I'm,
I'm sure it's hard like, you

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know, thinking back to those.
Years, Yeah.

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Well, and ever since I got off
the Suboxone, I've been like

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overly emotional too.
So but yeah, so I I was on

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Suboxone for like 14 years.
I mean, I honestly didn't know

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if I had ever get off of it.
And it's it's great.

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It helps a lot of people.
And you know, anybody who

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chooses to stay on it, like
there's nothing wrong with that,

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you know, but it just like got
to a point where I don't know.

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Yeah.
And like I wanted to travel and

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it's like, this is kind of just
like a ball and chain.

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And my boyfriend, my current
boyfriend is like, you know, he

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had had a lot of pretty bad
opiate addiction.

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He used Kratom to get through
that.

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But at the end he was on
fentanyl basically at the end.

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But so he was like, you know,
you should really try to get off

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the Suboxone, you know, and I
was like, it took me a while to

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kind of accept it.
I kept, it took me probably like

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a good year and a half.
And then I was like, all right,

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like, I think I might be ready
to do this, you know, so I kind

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of taper down on the Subs so I
could get really low down to

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like a milligram because I was
taking 8 milligrams.

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A day.
And then.

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I kind of saved them up a little
bit.

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So I had a stash of them and
then we because of other things,

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we ended up taking out out West
with the camper and everything.

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And when I got away from like
all the stresses of my life and

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did that and was in the middle
of the desert, I felt like I was

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ready to make the transition
from the Suboxone to the kratom

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and it I'm not going to.
Lie, it was rough, I mean.

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But I there's no way I would
have been able to do it without

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the Kratom.
I mean, it's just not possible,

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I don't think.
I mean, maybe I could have, but

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I mean, when you're on Suboxone
for that long, it's in your

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system.
And I feel like it took even

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with the kratom, like I feel
like it took the Suboxone like a

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good month or two to really
fully get out of my system.

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And yeah, so I just like stop
taking the Subs.

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One day I got a bunch of kratom
and I was just like, all right,

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well, well, I well, first you
have to like not take anything

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for a couple days, you know, to
try to get the blocker out of

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the system of the Suboxone and
stuff because it blocks opiate

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receptors.
So I had to just be really sick

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for a couple days and then and
it was hot too, because we were

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we were like in the Vegas area
and it was like April or May.

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So it was getting hot.
We didn't have any AC.

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So that was interesting.
But yeah, I went.

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So I went to the Kratom after
like day three of nothing.

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And then I basically just like
took that every couple hours for

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about a month.
And yeah, I mean, I was still

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pretty sick.
I feel like my body was in

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shock, but it was doable.
And like I still had to work and

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stuff.
I have a remote job where I sell

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solar panels.
So I'm like on the phone, like

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trying to, it's all
commissioned.

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So you got to hustle, hustle,
hustle.

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You know, it's like, not like
you just get paid by the hour or

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something.
So I did that, and I basically

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got to a point where it finally
was manageable, but it was also

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a huge adjustment emotionally.
You know, it's like all these

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emotions after all these years
come flooding back.

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Like I didn't realize how much
the Suboxone was like blocking

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that and.
I think in a lot of ways it was

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making my life a lot easier, but
I feel like.

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Now that I'm off it, I'm
actually dealing with my

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problems and like my mental
stuff and healing.

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And I think it just took that to
the next step.

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But anyways, it was a, it was a
struggle, you know, And so I

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took the kratom for like a month
after that.

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And then I was like, I don't
want to be dependent on the

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Kratom, you know, in the same
way as I have been on opiates my

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whole life.
So I was like, all right, well,

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I'm going to start tapering down
on that.

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And I want to get off of that
completely because it was also

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like, I think the Suboxone was
still in my system a little bit

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looking back, because it would
be like every three hours, I

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would feel like I had to take
more kratom, you know what I

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mean?
And just like, or I was like

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kind of sick and like, I was
just like, I don't want to keep

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this cycle going so.
I like I probably.

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Should have maybe stayed on the
kratom a little bit longer, but

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I was scared because my whole
life has just been 1 long drug

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addiction and like I just, I
don't know.

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So I got off the kratom and then
I just.

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It's a year later now.
It's actually exactly a year

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since I did that now basically.
Yeah.

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That was 11 months ago.
I haven't taken.

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Any Kratom in that time frame
and then but let me it's been a

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struggle because when you have
been doing drugs your whole

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entire life, like from a
teenager on, you don't know how

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to function like mentally,
emotionally in any normal way,

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because every second like to
deal with anything.

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You just reached for the drug.
And I don't know, getting off

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the Suboxone did shake me to the
core and every, I was terrified

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and like, I just all that, like
I have chronic pain issues too,

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fibromyalgia and all kinds of
stuff.

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And like, I felt all that pain
like full force and just every

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day, like even I just felt like
crappy every single day.

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And like my anxiety was so much
worse.

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And I was just like, well,
you're just going to do yoga,

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meditate.
I well, kind of, I'm not that

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great at that.
I don't know, just all this

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stupid, like healthy things that
I've heard my whole life and

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just seemed, I don't know, just
exercise, hike, I mean, and

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yeah, so I did that and I was
like, God, am I ever going to

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feel normal?
My stomach was messed up, like

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everything.
And people were like, oh, yeah,

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it takes like a year before you
really can feel normal from

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something like that.
And I do agree with that.

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It's gotten better, but I still
have like, some really, really

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bad days.
And so basically I was like, all

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right, well, if you're having
like a really rough day, you

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need to get through and want to
take a little kratom here and

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there, big deal, you know, but
I, I really like just want it

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like, because I do know people
who just like take it as a

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crutch and they just take ton of
it every day and are just like

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fully addicted to it.
And like, I don't know, I just

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think it's important that people
do realize like it's a tool.

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That's how I feel about it
anyway.

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And I don't know, just like
anything, you know, don't like

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abuse it.
So I think it's good that I

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because like when I was taking
it after the Suboxone, I was

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taking probably like 20 of them
a day or something.

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But when I take it now once in a
while I take like 4 to 6 for the

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day and then, you know, but
yeah, so basically, you know,

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that's where I'm at with it.
If I'm like really struggling

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with the chronic pain and energy
I have like.

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I don't know, I just have.
Very low energy sometimes and

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yeah, for working.
So I feel like it does help me

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to get through, so yeah.
Yeah, that's great.

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So you don't feel any more like
you have to take it.

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It's just when you feel like it
could be helpful in your day,

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then you take some kratom,
right?

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Yeah.
And it's, it would, it's easy to

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especially for me because I'm an
addict.

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It's easy to be like to want to
take it every day to get through

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the day, you know, but I am
really like trying.

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I'm, I'm not going to go, I'm
not going backwards.

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I mean, it's different for
everybody.

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But for me that could easily
just, you know, turn into a

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thing and like you just build up
a tolerance and, you know, it's

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the same.
So.

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Yeah, So I just wait until I
feel like on days where I just

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can't take it and I have to.
I can't stop, I can't give up.

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I got bills to pay and I don't
want, it's like better than the

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alternatives of anything else
so.

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Yeah.
Well, that your story is

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amazing.
I have questions.

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So it's like, where do I begin?
Where do I begin?

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Because you said so many amazing
things with your story.

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And it's quite a story that I'm
sure a lot of people are

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listening to right now that can
connect with that, that have

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been through things like that.
So you had mentioned that your

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boyfriend was using kratom for 1
1/2 years before you finally

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tried it.
Did you notice how much it was

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helping him or, you know, were
you like in your addiction to

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the point that you just didn't
even really notice?

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Well, he, he didn't really take
it that much.

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Like since we were together, he
mainly used it like before we

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met, but he was always telling
me about it and advocating for

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it and being like, this stuff's
amazing because he just like

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walked into a smoke shop one day
and the kid that worked there

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like knew all about it.
And that's how he like learned

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about it.
And he kind of did the same

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thing like I'm doing where he
used it to, you know, get off

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the fentanyl and then after
would just kind of take it once

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in a while.
But I mean, yeah, like, I don't

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know.
I was like more into like the

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Suboxone was affecting me more
than like, I don't know, for a

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long time I was just like,
whatever, kratom, whatever.

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Like I'm fine with the stuff.
Like I, I didn't really want to

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get off the stubs, you know,
because it was just so easy and

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like, I was just used to it and
I don't know.

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So yes, in some ways I was kind
of just like, you know, I heard

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what he said, whatever.
But then the more things change

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in our lives and I just got sick
of it.

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I was like, I wake up sick every
day.

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I have to take this thing.
I don't know.

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And just like, yeah, I got to
you go to the doctor, you do a

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piss test, you can't go certain
like I couldn't do this like

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traveling around thing.
I don't know.

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I was like, all right, whatever.
He's probably right.

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Like I should probably try to
get off it.

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So it but it took me a good long
time of of him kind of talking

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about it and yeah.
Yeah, no, that makes sense

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because change is hard and and
you were using something that

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worked and a lot of people say
positive things about Suboxone

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to like how it does help with
with that, but that also it can

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be very hard to get off of and
there can be a lot of side

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effects with it.
It's like it has its good side

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and its bad.
Side that was another thing the

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side effects like, Oh, my
stomach like OK, so I have IBS

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and they I've looked this up
online and doesn't say this like

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anywhere.
It's like not a research thing.

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And I think it's important for
some people to know about this.

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Like yeah, so I have IBS.
So I wasn't really sure what was

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going on because I've been on it
for so long.

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But I would get these fits where
my stomach would get so messed

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up and I would be puking like
for hours, like 8 hours on end

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all night long.
I mean, it was so and it was so

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debilitating that sometimes I'd
have to go to the hospital

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because I'd get so dehydrated
from throwing up and like I

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couldn't hold anything down and
like.

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It was just.
It was bad and it happened for

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years and years and years and
years.

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I mean, I went to the doctor and
she was like, oh, maybe you have

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like a tear in your intestine.
Like nobody knew what was going

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on.
And as you know, with Suboxone

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and other opiates, it kind of
like makes you a little

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constipated, you know, and like
I.

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So since getting off of it, I
have not had one of those fits.

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I mean, it would happen at least
a couple times a year, every

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single year for I.
Almost as the whole time.

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I was on it and yeah, I mean, I
go to the bathroom every day now

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as opposed to before.
It's like maybe every couple

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days and I just think, I don't
know what it was, but I just

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think like that all that
bacteria in my gut was like, I

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don't know.
But it was like causing me

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serious problems.
I mean, I was hospitalized many

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times and and nobody knew what
it was.

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And now I'm like, I still kind
of have like flare ups, but I

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don't like throw up.
Like I'll just, my stomach will

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hurt.
That's just from the IBS, you

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know, caffeine and stuff.
I'm like that.

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I drink a lot of caffeine so
probably doesn't help, but it's

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like nowhere near.
I mean, I would be out for days

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sometimes it was like crazy.
So I don't know if you're on

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Suboxone, you're having those
stomach problems.

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That's what it is.
Yeah, you know why?

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I just have heard a, you know,
horror stories from people with

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all the different side effects
with Suboxone.

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So that doesn't surprise me if
that you know that during your

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time with Suboxone you were
having issues like that.

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But it sounds like those that
wasn't a typical problem with

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Suboxone that the doctors knew
about.

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None of the doctors ever like
pointed to Suboxone with them.

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Never, never once.
Interesting.

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And then you and then you go to
Kratom and you stopped all those

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issues.
Yeah.

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And like I said, it's been a
year.

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Yeah, Yeah.
So I'm happy about that.

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That is so great.
So when you started kratom, was

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your boyfriend kind of guiding
you through it?

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You said that you stopped for
three days first to kind of, you

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know, with the Subs and, and
which I've heard a lot of people

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say that's a good way to go Is,
is taper down as much as you can

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and then just stop for, you
know, however long you can, 24

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hours or longer.
I don't think I've heard of

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somebody saying they went three
days without Subs before they

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switched to kratom, that that's
a usually they'll say 24 hours

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because everybody just hit will
tell me like how hard that was

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to do.
So I can't imagine how you were

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doing, you know, three days off
of Subs.

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But I imagine kratom was amazing
the first time you took it right

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after, you know, stopping the
Subs.

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Yeah, yes, he he did completely
coach me through the whole

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thing.
I mean, and like I trusted him

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fully because he was like me a
heinous addict and like he had a

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really bad habit at the time.
So I was like, all right.

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And like he tried all the
different ones.

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That's the other thing.
I think certain they have like

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the red one, the green one, the
white 1.

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And I feel like certain of those
different Kratoms are good for

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different things.
So anyways, yeah, I picked the.

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It's like they're called red
volley.

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I don't know.
He said that he thinks that

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one's the best one for that.
And it did work well.

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And we also coached my friend.
I have a friend who was also on

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Suboxone and wasn't going to be
able to get it anymore.

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And so I was like, look, I'm
doing this and I will start

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going through it and I'll help
you through it like my boyfriend

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did for me.
And he ended up being successful

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also and getting on to the
kratom.

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But yeah, it helps to have
someone coach you along.

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And yeah, he was told me how
many to take and how often and

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just he was a big support it.
It was nice to have him to help

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me and not just like be alone
figuring it out.

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Yeah, because it's hard figuring
it out by yourself.

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You know, when I first started,
luckily, I found some Facebook

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groups and was able to ask
questions and read what other

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people were talking about.
And that was super helpful

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because, you know, you buy a
package of kratom and you look

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at the directions you like.
I don't know what to do or how

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to do this.
How much do I take, you know?

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Well, it's different.
For all the.

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Packages.
Yeah, yeah, the the label on the

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package isn't going to help you
because everybody's different.

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It depends on what you're using
it for.

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So yeah.
Exactly, I've noticed like

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different vendor kratom
companies have different

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directions on packages and it's
like, you know, there's not like

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necessarily all the same, but
also it's not a drug, not a

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pharmaceutical.
It hasn't gone through the drug

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process where they've done all
the work.

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And no, like this is a dose that
will work for most people.

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So it's a lot of trial and error
for sure, but your story's

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amazing.
I'm so glad kratom has helped

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you and and now you're doing the
van life because you're able to.

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Right, exactly.
Yeah, it's, it's made my given

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me a lot more freedom.
And yeah.

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So yeah, we travelled, I'm from,
well, I've lived all over

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anyway, but I lived in New
England for 14 years.

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That's where I met my boyfriend.
And then we decided to leave

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there and go travel around out
West.

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And yeah, now I'm in Florida,
so.

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That's awesome.
Are you aware there are

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different parts of the country
that have banned kratom and even

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criminalize it since you're out
traveling?

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Are you aware of that?
I have heard, I did hear a

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little bit a while ago about
them certain places trying to

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crack down on it.
And, you know, I was just, it's

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because, yeah, like me and my
boyfriend talked about, you

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know, it's because they want to
get it all and cutting it, make

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a ton of money off it, make it a
pharmaceutical.

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That's what probably what they
want to try to do.

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But I don't know.
There are certain states now

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that have completely banned it.
Yeah, I mean, you know, I, I

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think for anybody traveling
around the country, they should

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definitely be aware that there's
a handful of states that have

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banned and criminalized it to
the point that if they stop you

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and they find you on kratom,
they could put you in jail,

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which is insane.
We don't hear it very often, but

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it is it's something that can
actually happen.

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As of right now in 2025 is
Vermont, Rhode Island,

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Wisconsin, Indiana, Alabama and
Arkansas.

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So with you being.
In Arkansas and Alabama, yeah, I

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did not.
I didn't know you have so that

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is good to know.
I would be extra careful.

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Well, well, then this is I, I'm,
I'm glad we're having this

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discussion because there are
people I've talked to that did

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not know about this either.
The, the best way to stay

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informed of things like that is
the American Kratom Association.

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It is the consumer lobbying
group that that, you know, keeps

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a watchful eye for different
bands, bills and all the legal

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things.
And their goal is to help

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protect kratom consumers.
And what they've been trying to

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do is get a Kratom Consumer
Protection Act federally, like

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a, you know, for the US
government to pass a federal

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kratom Consumer Protection Act
so that there's regulations

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that, you know, like packaging
has to be legit and done

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properly and 3rd party lab
tested so you know, you're

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getting good quality kratom.
You know, when I started kratom

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six years ago, some vendors back
then before regulations, it

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would just be like a plastic bag
and they would Sharpie the name

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of the cradle.
Like he didn't have much

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information.
Yeah.

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But these days with regulations
that have been in place, even

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though the the industry is
mostly self regulated right now,

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most packaging is a lot better
now.

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There's a lot of information
they have to put directs,

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directions and stuff, even
though like we said before, it's

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not always like the same with
they put whatever, but it's

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really to protect themselves as
well.

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But it's good to be aware of the
stuff that American Crime

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Association is doing because
they keep us informed.

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So I always recommend that
everybody joins their e-mail

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list because they're always
letting people in our community

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know like right now it's under
Kratom is under attack in

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Louisiana and Texas.
And I live in Texas.

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And right now they're they're
trying to ban it in the state

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level in these very big states
down here in the South.

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And it's, it's scary and they
try to do something in Florida,

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but it end up failing.
So, you know, that's good, but

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that's why the American Crime
Association is trying to get,

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yeah, they're trying to get a
federal bill in place because

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then if it was federally by law,
these legal protections for US

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consumers and, and then I think
the states that ban it would

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probably have to unban it.
So, and, and also not this, not

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just dates, there's also some
just different locations around

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the country.
Like in Louisiana, they, you

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know, they, they do parishes and
there's like a handful of

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parishes throughout Louisiana
that have banned and

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criminalized it.
San Diego is very odd.

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San Diego has it banned there,
even though most of California

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is fine.
But San Diego and the city of

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Oceanside, Oh.
Yeah, I was over there.

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So best of the blue I'll I'll
send you the link.

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Well, I mean, here's the thing.
First of all, it law enforcement

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would have to, you know, be
aware of it.

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And I don't think kratom is
something that's on the radar of

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most people, right, especially
law enforcement.

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And it's not like it's a
substance that's killing people

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and, and causing them to have
criminal behavior like you hear

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about with, you know, some of
the other drugs, you know,

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illegal St. drugs that that
'cause people to, you know, go

440
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,400
and rob and, and, and commit
crimes so they can, you know,

441
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,400
get more.
You don't hear about that with

442
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,520
kratom users, You know, so I
don't think it's so much on the

443
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:12,240
radar with law enforcement.
But if somebody, law enforcement

444
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,960
is aware of it and you're in a
location where is banned and

445
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,320
possibly even criminalized, like
you don't want to be in that

446
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,240
situation because who knows?
I mean, right there, there have

447
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,640
been a few people we've heard
about in the last few years that

448
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,960
got locked up and they didn't
know it was banned, where they

449
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,840
were at and where they were
driving.

450
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,760
So I'll send you the link and
I'm going to put that link in

451
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,520
the show notes for this episode
too.

452
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,760
If anybody wants to go, you
know, go check that out.

453
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,720
It's American.
Kratom.org is the website for

454
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,360
the American Crane Association
and they, they have a link that

455
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,760
shows, you know, all the
different States and where it's

456
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,760
legal.
And I think for anybody that's

457
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,520
traveling around the country
that's consuming kratom, it's

458
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,040
just good to be aware.
So, you know, so that way

459
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,600
whether you're just extra
cautious or just not traveling

460
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,320
through those specific areas
that have banned it, so.

461
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,240
To know.
Yeah, but yeah, yeah.

462
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,000
Well, you know, anybody I talk
to that's travelling, I'm like,

463
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,360
let me throw that out there
because I want to make sure they

464
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:19,120
know.
So I want to go back to like how

465
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:25,080
kratom helped you with just your
just your impact on life.

466
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,920
You were saying because of
kratom you were able to do the

467
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,160
van life, which is awesome,
something that you really

468
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,880
couldn't have done before
kratom.

469
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,600
What else has it helped you
with?

470
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,120
You said you you suffer from
some chronic pain issues and

471
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,800
anxiety and stuff.
Did you like notice that kratom

472
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,960
was helping with with like all
of those things?

473
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:54,520
Well, at first, no.
Like at first I because I was.

474
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,400
Getting off the suboxone and
like I.

475
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,720
Was used to that and I was like.
I don't know, I.

476
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,000
Felt like I couldn't really feel
the full effects of the kratom

477
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,520
and I was like, I don't know, I
was like whatever, like that and

478
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,560
you know, and I just didn't I
was like, oh, it helped me get

479
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,960
off this, but I didn't wasn't I
didn't really notice like how it

480
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,440
could help me.
I don't know, like in the way

481
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:26,040
where it is now.
So and like I said, I was taking

482
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,960
it still like getting the Subs
out of my system and stuff, and

483
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,360
then I just kind of cut it off.
So at that point I hadn't really

484
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,960
noticed.
And then like I just, I felt

485
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,960
like I was kind of struggling.
And some days, like I said, and

486
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,400
I talked to my boyfriend about
it a little bit and he was like,

487
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,400
yeah, I mean, you know, it does
give you like a little bit of

488
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,960
energy and stuff.
And that he was like, I mean, if

489
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,760
you really need to take it once
in a while, you know, just be

490
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,000
careful because otherwise it's
just going to, you know,

491
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,640
snowball into taking it every
day and all the time.

492
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,360
Like some people we know.
But I was like, yeah, right.

493
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:17,120
And like, I don't know, I took
it like once and I was like, it

494
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,680
felt like weird to me kind of
because I just, I'm so used to

495
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,960
like opiates and like I thought
it was going to make me feel

496
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,760
like that because you know how
it like helped me get off the

497
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:30,640
opiates.
I don't know.

498
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,120
And I was like, I don't know how
I like this really.

499
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,720
And then I let some more time go
by and I was like reading a

500
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,760
thread about chronic pain and
stuff because I, I was like

501
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,240
really struggling and with the
paint chronic pain and just like

502
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,840
not having energy to work and I
don't know, do the stuff I need

503
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,400
to do some days.
So I was reading like a forum on

504
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,600
it on Reddit and some of the
girls that had issues on there

505
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,000
were like, oh, well, sometimes
like I'll take kratom, you know?

506
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,800
And I was like, I was like, all
right, I'm going to take it and

507
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,840
like consciously think about how
it makes me feel.

508
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,640
And I did.
And I was like, oh, it did like

509
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:21,000
completely get rid of my pain
for one, which is like amazing.

510
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:26,160
But also could be, you know, a
double edged sword if you just

511
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,480
take it all the time for your
pain.

512
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,920
But that's just that sort of
thing for you.

513
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:36,720
That's how any kind of drug is.
But so I was like, OK, and I did

514
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,440
realize too that it did give me
a little bit of an energy boost,

515
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,320
which was pretty important for
me.

516
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,520
I don't know, I feel like I just
can drink tons of caffeine.

517
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,080
It just doesn't do anything.
I don't know.

518
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,600
Some people just need like I
think it's the fibromyalgia.

519
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,160
Like it just keeps me down.
Like it tries to prevent me from

520
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,400
living my full life.
I don't know.

521
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:04,120
I feel like so and some a lot of
days like I just have to like

522
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,840
deal with it.
And a lot of days aren't that

523
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,080
bad.
But then once in a while I just

524
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,560
have days where I'm like, I
cannot like get up and function

525
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,800
today.
So, and that way it's kind of a

526
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:20,200
lifesaver for me because I don't
know what I would do.

527
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,440
Like probably just like not get
out of bed or like, I don't

528
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,640
know.
It's the work thing has been a

529
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,160
big adjustment for me.
I'm working full time and

530
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,360
obviously because of my past, my
issues mentally and drug issues,

531
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,760
like I was on disability for a
long time.

532
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,480
I mean, I, I just like, I've
never really done well holding a

533
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,280
job and it's always been a
struggle for me.

534
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:55,120
And now I'm like really trying
to, I don't know, just kind of

535
00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:00,320
get my stuff together and I
don't know, I just bought a new

536
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,040
truck.
So I mean, now I got truck

537
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,160
payments, but I needed a
reliable vehicle and it is

538
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,080
pretty sweet and I'm always in
my truck.

539
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,120
I actually have a well, it's a
trailer.

540
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,239
It's not a van, It's a little
cargo trailer that I built into

541
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,440
a camper.
And so I need a truck to pull

542
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,760
that around.
So but yeah, so I'm just like,

543
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,159
all right, you got to like work
and just try to be down my

544
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:29,360
normal.
And I don't know, I just feel

545
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,760
like the kratom really helps me
with that, with the fibromyalgia

546
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,760
and, and the anxiety and just
the, yeah, the pain and, and the

547
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,719
fatigue.
The fatigue's like a big thing,

548
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,920
too.
Yeah, You know, it's interesting

549
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,560
because so many people I've
talked to on this podcast will

550
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,080
say I I used kratom to get off
drugs.

551
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,320
So I've used kratom for like
this chronic pain issue I have

552
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,280
like, it's like it's whatever.
The big thing is they're trying

553
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,760
to work on me.
They discover kratom, they use

554
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,040
it, but then they'll be like, I
noticed that I don't crave

555
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,800
alcohol anymore, or I've noticed
that my anxiety is not so bad

556
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,080
anymore, or I've noticed I I
have more energy when I consume

557
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,640
kratom.
And it's so interesting that

558
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,080
people notice these secondary
things they get out of it.

559
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,840
So it sounds like that's what's
happened with you.

560
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,440
Definitely.
And the alcohol thing, I forgot

561
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,040
that, but that is totally a
thing too.

562
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:30,160
And I, I of course, have an
addiction problem with alcohol

563
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,400
just like everything else.
It so yeah.

564
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:39,520
And I, I did use alcohol as a
little bit of a crutch through

565
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,920
the Suboxone thing.
Like the, oh, you asked how I

566
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,920
got through those three days
while I was taking shots

567
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,080
constantly.
And like, that's not a good way

568
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,160
to deal with it, but not
constantly.

569
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,520
But I it was the only and the
thing with that is it only helps

570
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,880
for like a little bit, but I did
do that.

571
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,120
But I was, I was like, whatever,
I was determined to get off of

572
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,000
it.
I'm not drinking anymore.

573
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,240
But you know, then it was like
whatever I got to do to get

574
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:13,200
through this.
But, and the Kratom does totally

575
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,040
help with that.
My boyfriend said the same

576
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,000
thing.
It's like you don't feel like

577
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,080
drinking when you're on it.
It's amazing really.

578
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,040
It's really amazing.
Yeah, I've had quite a few

579
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,800
people tell me that they
realized that they weren't

580
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,000
craving alcohol anymore.
And this one lady I had on the

581
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,040
podcast, she's kratom, you know,
to get off of drugs that she was

582
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,760
addicted to.
And then she said, you know

583
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,560
what?
I still have the six pack of

584
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,160
beer in the fridge and I don't
ever want it.

585
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,400
Like I'm going to pour it out.
Like I don't even desire that

586
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,040
anymore.
Like something she was really

587
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,280
aware of with kratom until she
realized like she goes, I can't

588
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,680
believe how long that beer was
sitting in my fridge.

589
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,160
I've heard stories like that
where like, wow, I huh, I don't

590
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,760
even, you know, want to have a
beer?

591
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,920
Yeah, it's awesome.
It it is.

592
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:11,360
It's a lightsaber.
Yeah, is, is super interesting.

593
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,440
Well, your story is so
interesting, Scarlett, like you,

594
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,440
you, you've been through a lot
and there's just your your

595
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,360
story, I think is going to help
a lot of people because they can

596
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,360
relate to this.
Is there anything else that you

597
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,840
wanted to talk about that that
we didn't cover yet or I didn't

598
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,840
think to ask when it comes to
kratom in your story?

599
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:37,240
No, I, I.
I feel like we pretty much

600
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:41,800
covered like all the bases, you
know, I mean, yeah, I mean,

601
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:48,880
yeah, it's I just, I am really
happy with it and I just, you

602
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,760
know, just be careful with it
too.

603
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,680
Just like anything.
That's my little PSA, just

604
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,720
because obviously I don't know
any sort of substance like

605
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,720
should be used.
As a tool.

606
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,440
I mean, maybe that's just my
opinion, but you know, but it

607
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,920
yeah, it can if you are having
issues with drugs or alcohol or

608
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,880
chronic pain or even like
anxiety, any of that stuff like

609
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,160
it, it can definitely save your
life.

610
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,880
I mean, I shouldn't be alive
right now.

611
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,240
It's kind of a miracle.
And the kratom took my life to

612
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:24,840
the next step, you know, getting
off those Subs.

613
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,880
But even if you're, you know,
doing fentanyl or like anything

614
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,440
and just like the depths of
worst addiction, this can help

615
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,400
you.
I can help you so.

616
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,240
Yeah, well, we'll wrap this up
with a PSA for you to share.

617
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,160
When I close out, I always like
to have the guests share with

618
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,800
us.
Knowing everything you know now

619
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,040
about kratom, what advice would
you give to someone starting on

620
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,760
their journey?
But what I would love for you to

621
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,200
do is talk about that
transition.

622
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,000
Like what would you tell
somebody going from Subs to

623
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,760
kratom?
Because so many people I've

624
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,120
talked to over the years,
they're trying so hard to stop

625
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,680
Subs and they say it's so hard
to do.

626
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,280
Suboxone is a tough one and
you've been through it and you

627
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,080
did it and you got to the other
side.

628
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:14,080
So if somebody is hearing about
kratom but they're on Suboxone,

629
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,080
like what?
What would you tell them?

630
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,840
I'm going to say like it's not
going to be a walk in the park,

631
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,320
like you're still going to feel,
you know, you're still going to

632
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:37,520
feel like a little sick, but it
is nowhere like it makes it a

633
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,360
possibility.
So what I would say is I don't

634
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,000
know my opinion and my friend
agreed.

635
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,880
My boyfriend agreed.
I think the red 1 is the best

636
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,400
for trying to get off opiates.
It's the one that's most like

637
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,520
the opiate receptors.
And I would say like as far as

638
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:05,400
dosing, it might be a little
different, but don't be afraid

639
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,640
to go hard with it at first,
like to get through.

640
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:12,440
It with the Suboxone because
it's, you know, it's going to be

641
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,480
tough and like you said, you
could probably go just 24 hours

642
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:20,600
and then start taking that.
You don't have to do days like I

643
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,360
did and that's going to be the
toughest part.

644
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:26,120
But like you can get, you can do
it.

645
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,720
You can do it.
If I did it like I'm telling

646
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:33,600
you, if I can do it, anybody can
do it for real.

647
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,840
I mean, and and I have like the
chronic pain and all these other

648
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:42,160
issues on top of it, which I'm
sure a lot of people do, but I

649
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,280
would so I like, I don't know,
like you said on the back, a lot

650
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,640
of the ones say take 3, I feel
like it might whatever.

651
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,320
I would at least like double
that.

652
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,200
Like maybe even more.
Like it probably depends on your

653
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,480
addiction, your weight.
You know, women don't need as

654
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,720
much stuff as men.
So I mean, I would at least try

655
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:11,440
6 to 10 like at once, you know,
and with if you're getting off

656
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,040
the Subs, you're going to need
to redose every couple hours.

657
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:20,760
Like I was like every three,
sometimes 4 hours.

658
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,160
I would have to take like like
you're going to go through a lot

659
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,600
of them, you know, at 1st and
you're going to have to go way

660
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,520
harder than you would if you
weren't getting off Suboxone.

661
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:35,720
And like, you know, just keep in
mind it's going to take a little

662
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:38,720
longer to kick in and Suboxone
would, you know, it can take

663
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:43,560
3045 minutes maybe.
So that's why like I was like

664
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,360
not feeling good by 4 hours.
So that's why I was like re

665
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,280
dosing at three, you know what I
mean?

666
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,320
To kind of try to stay ahead of
it because that'll really help.

667
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,040
It's like they tell you at the
dentist when you get a tooth

668
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,240
pulled, like stay ahead of the
pain type of thing.

669
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,120
But yeah, I mean, and my friend
did it too.

670
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,280
I helped her through it.
So, you know, it just depends.

671
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,840
But I would definitely go heavy
with it, like I'm saying.

672
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,960
And it's going to be every
couple hours and it'll be kind

673
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:17,120
of annoying.
But I mean, yeah, I guess that's

674
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:22,800
like my best advice.
And I would do it for at least

675
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,080
probably a month or at least a
good month of that because the

676
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,200
Subs are going to take at least
that long to fully get out of

677
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,800
your system.
That's how I felt.

678
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,040
I mean, I was on Subs for 14
years.

679
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,680
So I do think it was like a good
month.

680
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,760
I kind of wish I would have kept
taking the creative maybe for

681
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:48,440
two months or so.
But I was just like, I don't

682
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,520
know, kind of, I was just tired
of feeling sick.

683
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,800
So I was like whatever.
And like now I said now like I

684
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,240
said, I only take 6 for the
whole day if I take it now, you

685
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:00,000
know, now that I've gotten past
that.

686
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,640
So but yeah, you're going to be
going real hard with it if

687
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,480
you're trying to get off the
Subs every couple hours,

688
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,240
probably 6 to 10 of the pills.
And that's my best advice for

689
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,320
you.
Yeah, I love it.

690
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,880
And you're talking about
capsules when you're saying?

691
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,680
I took the capsules.
I mean, I what was the brand

692
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,360
that I don't know well,
whatever, it doesn't really

693
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,640
matter.
But I found this one brand that

694
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,320
I like, but do your research,
try to get like one of the more

695
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,120
premium brands like that.
Like you said, there's all

696
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,880
different ones and I don't know,
just try to find something like

697
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,320
legit.
I mean the smoke shop, I just

698
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,200
was getting mine at the smoke
shops because they they had the

699
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:52,560
1 main brand that I liked.
So but yeah, I mean the ones if

700
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,320
you go to a good smoke shop,
they usually have like the good

701
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,880
stuff, but and they also have
extract pills.

702
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,600
I don't know if any people know
about those.

703
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,720
I personally was on a budget.
Yeah, this is actually important

704
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:08,200
if you're getting off opiates.
I was on a budget.

705
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,480
So I went with the best quality
of like the regular kratom that

706
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:18,960
I could get and was taking like
you know what I told you, But

707
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,280
they had, if you have like more
money to spend, they have

708
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,920
extract pills and a lot of them
will come and like it's only

709
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,720
like 3 in the pack, but it's
like, I feel like one of those

710
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:34,880
is like the equivalent to the
six or eight or whatever.

711
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,400
I don't know exactly that you
would take of the other ones.

712
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:47,120
So and I think they also have an
extract that's like liquid but

713
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:53,720
just be careful you don't
accidentally buy that weird 7 HO

714
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:56,960
stuff they have out now.
Yeah, the seven that stuff is.

715
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,240
Bad.
It's like, yeah, it's like

716
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,520
research chemical chemical like
fentanyl or whatever that do not

717
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,120
get that.
But yeah, the extra pills, I

718
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,240
think the one brand is like OPMS
or something with the extract

719
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:13,560
pills.
If you could do.

720
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,600
That that's better?
Yeah, Yep.

721
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,600
Yeah, You know, extracts are
pricier for sure.

722
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,120
And they're typically in like
tablets or even extract powder,

723
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,000
but it's usually those extract
shots.

724
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:31,320
So the liquid, they're pricey.
But what I see a lot in the

725
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,360
community is that when people
are switching to that when they

726
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:40,440
first tried kratom and they go
into that, it is easy to overuse

727
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,120
them because they're they're
more, they're more potent than

728
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,440
the plant.
But also with the plant, with

729
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,760
the powder, you get all the
alkaloids.

730
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,840
And that's probably why you're
getting the full benefit with

731
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:59,080
the anxiety relief, the energy,
the pain relief, like you're

732
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,440
getting like the full spectrum
of it because you're getting all

733
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,080
those alkaloids.
Whereas the neck Trax, it is

734
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:08,840
usually just two alkaloids and
then the seven OH is just the

735
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,800
one alkaloid.
And those are bad news.

736
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,240
All we hear are negative news
about those.

737
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,520
So I'm glad you're mentioning
all of that.

738
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,160
This is great information that I
can help people.

739
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,400
So I really appreciate your time
today.

740
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,160
Doing this with us was, you
know, doing your your camper

741
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,320
life.
That's just so I love that, you

742
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,040
know, people are doing that and
they're, you know, kratom

743
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,240
consumers out on the road and
able to, you know, live a free

744
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:35,400
life.
It's awesome.

745
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,440
Yeah, it's great.
Well, thank you so much for

746
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,120
having me.
I really appreciate it.