Ep 70: Life After Suboxone: Scarlett’s Raw and Real Kratom Journey

0:00 I just think it's important that people do realize like it's a tool. That's how I feel about it anyway. And I don't know, just like anything, you know, don't like abuse it. So I think it's good that I because like when I was taking it after the Suboxone, I was taking probably like 20 of them a day or something. But when I take it now, once in a while, I take like 4 to 6 for the day and then, you know, but yeah, so basically, yeah, that's where I'm at with it. If I'm like really struggling with the chronic pain and energy I have like. I don't know, I. Just have very low energy sometimes and yeah for working so I feel like it does help me to get through so.

1:01 So I'm here with Scarlett to have her come on the podcast and share her personal journey with Kratom. Scarlett, thank you so much for taking the time from your Camp for life to come be on the podcast and and talk to our community. First, let's kind of get to know you a bit. So tell us about yourself and life before Kratom you know came along. Well, should I start from the beginning or? However far back you want to go just to paint the picture of your life before kratom. OK, well, basically I grew. Up in an army family, my parents were both in the army and it was interesting whatever. I came from an abusive home and that kind of propelled me into immediately using drugs as a teenager, just to keep it short. I mean, plus, you know, mental issues that go along with that and trauma and stuff.

2:05 So yeah, I was kind of in and out of mental hospitals and stuff, 'cause my parents kept putting me in there. I felt like they just like, didn't want to deal with the reality of what was going on and just kind of act like I'm crazy or something. But whatever, it is what it is. So yeah, I started shooting heroin when I was like 16 And yeah, it, I mean, I had started using other drugs like when I was 13 and I was like, I lived in DC at the time, so it was easily available just like a lot of the drugs.

2:45 And yeah, I mean, that basically started a 22 year heroin addiction and pretty much like everything else too, you know, coke, meth, you name it. And yeah, so kind of Fast forward, you know, like I said, years and years of that and then I finally had gotten on to Suboxone. I did like the methadone clinic for a while in my late 20s and then Suboxone came out and I had an ex-boyfriend that was on it. So he kind of coaxed me to get off the methadone onto the Suboxone, which was a much better option at the time, I feel like. But yeah, so basically I slowly kind of started to get it together.

3:41 It took me a while. I mean, even when I was on the Suboxone, I was still like using other drugs, not opiates, but other stuff. And I was kind of just, you know, back and forth. I had a a good meth run there for like a good five years and then sorry, it just makes me a little emotional talking about. It I can understand. I mean, take your time and I'm, I'm sure it's hard like, you know, thinking back to those. Years, Yeah. Well, and ever since I got off the Suboxone, I've been like overly emotional too. So but yeah, so I I was on Suboxone for like 14 years. I mean, I honestly didn't know if I had ever get off of it. And it's it's great.

4:30 It helps a lot of people. And you know, anybody who chooses to stay on it, like there's nothing wrong with that, you know, but it just like got to a point where I don't know. Yeah. And like I wanted to travel and it's like, this is kind of just like a ball and chain. And my boyfriend, my current boyfriend is like, you know, he had had a lot of pretty bad opiate addiction. He used Kratom to get through that. But at the end he was on fentanyl basically at the end. But so he was like, you know, you should really try to get off the Suboxone, you know, and I was like, it took me a while to kind of accept it. I kept, it took me probably like a good year and a half. And then I was like, all right, like, I think I might be ready to do this, you know, so I kind of taper down on the Subs so I could get really low down to like a milligram because I was taking 8 milligrams.

5:43 A day. And then. I kind of saved them up a little bit. So I had a stash of them and then we because of other things, we ended up taking out out West with the camper and everything. And when I got away from like all the stresses of my life and did that and was in the middle of the desert, I felt like I was ready to make the transition from the Suboxone to the kratom and it I'm not going to. Lie, it was rough, I mean. But I there's no way I would have been able to do it without the Kratom. I mean, it's just not possible, I don't think. I mean, maybe I could have, but I mean, when you're on Suboxone for that long, it's in your system. And I feel like it took even with the kratom, like I feel like it took the Suboxone like a good month or two to really fully get out of my system.

6:43 And yeah, so I just like stop taking the Subs. One day I got a bunch of kratom and I was just like, all right, well, well, I well, first you have to like not take anything for a couple days, you know, to try to get the blocker out of the system of the Suboxone and stuff because it blocks opiate receptors. So I had to just be really sick for a couple days and then and it was hot too, because we were we were like in the Vegas area and it was like April or May. So it was getting hot. We didn't have any AC.

7:24 So that was interesting. But yeah, I went. So I went to the Kratom after like day three of nothing. And then I basically just like took that every couple hours for about a month. And yeah, I mean, I was still pretty sick. I feel like my body was in shock, but it was doable. And like I still had to work and stuff. I have a remote job where I sell solar panels. So I'm like on the phone, like trying to, it's all commissioned. So you got to hustle, hustle, hustle. You know, it's like, not like you just get paid by the hour or something. So I did that, and I basically got to a point where it finally was manageable, but it was also a huge adjustment emotionally. You know, it's like all these emotions after all these years come flooding back.

8:25 Like I didn't realize how much the Suboxone was like blocking that and. I think in a lot of ways it was making my life a lot easier, but I feel like. Now that I'm off it, I'm actually dealing with my problems and like my mental stuff and healing. And I think it just took that to the next step. But anyways, it was a, it was a struggle, you know, And so I took the kratom for like a month after that. And then I was like, I don't want to be dependent on the Kratom, you know, in the same way as I have been on opiates my whole life. So I was like, all right, well, I'm going to start tapering down on that.

9:12 And I want to get off of that completely because it was also like, I think the Suboxone was still in my system a little bit looking back, because it would be like every three hours, I would feel like I had to take more kratom, you know what I mean? And just like, or I was like kind of sick and like, I was just like, I don't want to keep this cycle going so. I like I probably. Should have maybe stayed on the kratom a little bit longer, but I was scared because my whole life has just been 1 long drug addiction and like I just, I don't know. So I got off the kratom and then I just. It's a year later now. It's actually exactly a year since I did that now basically. Yeah.

9:58 That was 11 months ago. I haven't taken. Any Kratom in that time frame and then but let me it's been a struggle because when you have been doing drugs your whole entire life, like from a teenager on, you don't know how to function like mentally, emotionally in any normal way, because every second like to deal with anything. You just reached for the drug. And I don't know, getting off the Suboxone did shake me to the core and every, I was terrified and like, I just all that, like I have chronic pain issues too, fibromyalgia and all kinds of stuff.

10:46 And like, I felt all that pain like full force and just every day, like even I just felt like crappy every single day. And like my anxiety was so much worse. And I was just like, well, you're just going to do yoga, meditate. I well, kind of, I'm not that great at that. I don't know, just all this stupid, like healthy things that I've heard my whole life and just seemed, I don't know, just exercise, hike, I mean, and yeah, so I did that and I was like, God, am I ever going to feel normal? My stomach was messed up, like everything. And people were like, oh, yeah, it takes like a year before you really can feel normal from something like that. And I do agree with that.

11:39 It's gotten better, but I still have like, some really, really bad days. And so basically I was like, all right, well, if you're having like a really rough day, you need to get through and want to take a little kratom here and there, big deal, you know, but I, I really like just want it like, because I do know people who just like take it as a crutch and they just take ton of it every day and are just like fully addicted to it. And like, I don't know, I just think it's important that people do realize like it's a tool. That's how I feel about it anyway. And I don't know, just like anything, you know, don't like abuse it. So I think it's good that I because like when I was taking it after the Suboxone, I was taking probably like 20 of them a day or something.

12:29 But when I take it now once in a while I take like 4 to 6 for the day and then, you know, but yeah, so basically, you know, that's where I'm at with it. If I'm like really struggling with the chronic pain and energy I have like. I don't know, I just have. Very low energy sometimes and yeah, for working. So I feel like it does help me to get through, so yeah. Yeah, that's great. So you don't feel any more like you have to take it. It's just when you feel like it could be helpful in your day, then you take some kratom, right?

13:10 Yeah. And it's, it would, it's easy to especially for me because I'm an addict. It's easy to be like to want to take it every day to get through the day, you know, but I am really like trying. I'm, I'm not going to go, I'm not going backwards. I mean, it's different for everybody. But for me that could easily just, you know, turn into a thing and like you just build up a tolerance and, you know, it's the same. So. Yeah, So I just wait until I feel like on days where I just can't take it and I have to. I can't stop, I can't give up. I got bills to pay and I don't want, it's like better than the alternatives of anything else so.

13:55 Yeah. Well, that your story is amazing. I have questions. So it's like, where do I begin? Where do I begin? Because you said so many amazing things with your story. And it's quite a story that I'm sure a lot of people are listening to right now that can connect with that, that have been through things like that. So you had mentioned that your boyfriend was using kratom for 1 1/2 years before you finally tried it. Did you notice how much it was helping him or, you know, were you like in your addiction to the point that you just didn't even really notice? Well, he, he didn't really take it that much. Like since we were together, he mainly used it like before we met, but he was always telling me about it and advocating for it and being like, this stuff's amazing because he just like walked into a smoke shop one day and the kid that worked there like knew all about it. And that's how he like learned about it. And he kind of did the same thing like I'm doing where he used it to, you know, get off the fentanyl and then after would just kind of take it once in a while. But I mean, yeah, like, I don't know. I was like more into like the Suboxone was affecting me more than like, I don't know, for a long time I was just like, whatever, kratom, whatever.

15:16 Like I'm fine with the stuff. Like I, I didn't really want to get off the stubs, you know, because it was just so easy and like, I was just used to it and I don't know. So yes, in some ways I was kind of just like, you know, I heard what he said, whatever. But then the more things change in our lives and I just got sick of it. I was like, I wake up sick every day. I have to take this thing. I don't know. And just like, yeah, I got to you go to the doctor, you do a piss test, you can't go certain like I couldn't do this like traveling around thing. I don't know.

15:57 I was like, all right, whatever. He's probably right. Like I should probably try to get off it. So it but it took me a good long time of of him kind of talking about it and yeah. Yeah, no, that makes sense because change is hard and and you were using something that worked and a lot of people say positive things about Suboxone to like how it does help with with that, but that also it can be very hard to get off of and there can be a lot of side effects with it. It's like it has its good side and its bad. Side that was another thing the side effects like, Oh, my stomach like OK, so I have IBS and they I've looked this up online and doesn't say this like anywhere. It's like not a research thing.

16:48 And I think it's important for some people to know about this. Like yeah, so I have IBS. So I wasn't really sure what was going on because I've been on it for so long. But I would get these fits where my stomach would get so messed up and I would be puking like for hours, like 8 hours on end all night long. I mean, it was so and it was so debilitating that sometimes I'd have to go to the hospital because I'd get so dehydrated from throwing up and like I couldn't hold anything down and like. It was just. It was bad and it happened for years and years and years and years. I mean, I went to the doctor and she was like, oh, maybe you have like a tear in your intestine. Like nobody knew what was going on. And as you know, with Suboxone and other opiates, it kind of like makes you a little constipated, you know, and like I.

17:49 So since getting off of it, I have not had one of those fits. I mean, it would happen at least a couple times a year, every single year for I. Almost as the whole time. I was on it and yeah, I mean, I go to the bathroom every day now as opposed to before. It's like maybe every couple days and I just think, I don't know what it was, but I just think like that all that bacteria in my gut was like, I don't know. But it was like causing me serious problems. I mean, I was hospitalized many times and and nobody knew what it was. And now I'm like, I still kind of have like flare ups, but I don't like throw up. Like I'll just, my stomach will hurt. That's just from the IBS, you know, caffeine and stuff. I'm like that.

18:41 I drink a lot of caffeine so probably doesn't help, but it's like nowhere near. I mean, I would be out for days sometimes it was like crazy. So I don't know if you're on Suboxone, you're having those stomach problems. That's what it is. Yeah, you know why? I just have heard a, you know, horror stories from people with all the different side effects with Suboxone. So that doesn't surprise me if that you know that during your time with Suboxone you were having issues like that. But it sounds like those that wasn't a typical problem with Suboxone that the doctors knew about. None of the doctors ever like pointed to Suboxone with them. Never, never once. Interesting.

19:21 And then you and then you go to Kratom and you stopped all those issues. Yeah. And like I said, it's been a year. Yeah, Yeah. So I'm happy about that. That is so great. So when you started kratom, was your boyfriend kind of guiding you through it? You said that you stopped for three days first to kind of, you know, with the Subs and, and which I've heard a lot of people say that's a good way to go Is, is taper down as much as you can and then just stop for, you know, however long you can, 24 hours or longer. I don't think I've heard of somebody saying they went three days without Subs before they switched to kratom, that that's a usually they'll say 24 hours because everybody just hit will tell me like how hard that was to do. So I can't imagine how you were doing, you know, three days off of Subs.

20:13 But I imagine kratom was amazing the first time you took it right after, you know, stopping the Subs. Yeah, yes, he he did completely coach me through the whole thing. I mean, and like I trusted him fully because he was like me a heinous addict and like he had a really bad habit at the time. So I was like, all right. And like he tried all the different ones. That's the other thing. I think certain they have like the red one, the green one, the white 1. And I feel like certain of those different Kratoms are good for different things. So anyways, yeah, I picked the.

20:54 It's like they're called red volley. I don't know. He said that he thinks that one's the best one for that. And it did work well. And we also coached my friend. I have a friend who was also on Suboxone and wasn't going to be able to get it anymore. And so I was like, look, I'm doing this and I will start going through it and I'll help you through it like my boyfriend did for me. And he ended up being successful also and getting on to the kratom. But yeah, it helps to have someone coach you along. And yeah, he was told me how many to take and how often and just he was a big support it. It was nice to have him to help me and not just like be alone figuring it out.

21:46 Yeah, because it's hard figuring it out by yourself. You know, when I first started, luckily, I found some Facebook groups and was able to ask questions and read what other people were talking about. And that was super helpful because, you know, you buy a package of kratom and you look at the directions you like. I don't know what to do or how to do this. How much do I take, you know? Well, it's different. For all the. Packages. Yeah, yeah, the the label on the package isn't going to help you because everybody's different. It depends on what you're using it for. So yeah. Exactly, I've noticed like different vendor kratom companies have different directions on packages and it's like, you know, there's not like necessarily all the same, but also it's not a drug, not a pharmaceutical. It hasn't gone through the drug process where they've done all the work.

22:36 And no, like this is a dose that will work for most people. So it's a lot of trial and error for sure, but your story's amazing. I'm so glad kratom has helped you and and now you're doing the van life because you're able to. Right, exactly. Yeah, it's, it's made my given me a lot more freedom. And yeah. So yeah, we travelled, I'm from, well, I've lived all over anyway, but I lived in New England for 14 years. That's where I met my boyfriend. And then we decided to leave there and go travel around out West. And yeah, now I'm in Florida, so. That's awesome. Are you aware there are different parts of the country that have banned kratom and even criminalize it since you're out traveling?

23:24 Are you aware of that? I have heard, I did hear a little bit a while ago about them certain places trying to crack down on it. And, you know, I was just, it's because, yeah, like me and my boyfriend talked about, you know, it's because they want to get it all and cutting it, make a ton of money off it, make it a pharmaceutical. That's what probably what they want to try to do. But I don't know. There are certain states now that have completely banned it. Yeah, I mean, you know, I, I think for anybody traveling around the country, they should definitely be aware that there's a handful of states that have banned and criminalized it to the point that if they stop you and they find you on kratom, they could put you in jail, which is insane. We don't hear it very often, but it is it's something that can actually happen.

24:19 As of right now in 2025 is Vermont, Rhode Island, Wisconsin, Indiana, Alabama and Arkansas. So with you being. In Arkansas and Alabama, yeah, I did not. I didn't know you have so that is good to know. I would be extra careful. Well, well, then this is I, I'm, I'm glad we're having this discussion because there are people I've talked to that did not know about this either. The, the best way to stay informed of things like that is the American Kratom Association. It is the consumer lobbying group that that, you know, keeps a watchful eye for different bands, bills and all the legal things. And their goal is to help protect kratom consumers. And what they've been trying to do is get a Kratom Consumer Protection Act federally, like a, you know, for the US government to pass a federal kratom Consumer Protection Act so that there's regulations that, you know, like packaging has to be legit and done properly and 3rd party lab tested so you know, you're getting good quality kratom. You know, when I started kratom six years ago, some vendors back then before regulations, it would just be like a plastic bag and they would Sharpie the name of the cradle. Like he didn't have much information. Yeah.

25:41 But these days with regulations that have been in place, even though the the industry is mostly self regulated right now, most packaging is a lot better now. There's a lot of information they have to put directs, directions and stuff, even though like we said before, it's not always like the same with they put whatever, but it's really to protect themselves as well. But it's good to be aware of the stuff that American Crime Association is doing because they keep us informed. So I always recommend that everybody joins their e-mail list because they're always letting people in our community know like right now it's under Kratom is under attack in Louisiana and Texas. And I live in Texas.

26:24 And right now they're they're trying to ban it in the state level in these very big states down here in the South. And it's, it's scary and they try to do something in Florida, but it end up failing. So, you know, that's good, but that's why the American Crime Association is trying to get, yeah, they're trying to get a federal bill in place because then if it was federally by law, these legal protections for US consumers and, and then I think the states that ban it would probably have to unban it. So, and, and also not this, not just dates, there's also some just different locations around the country. Like in Louisiana, they, you know, they, they do parishes and there's like a handful of parishes throughout Louisiana that have banned and criminalized it. San Diego is very odd.

27:14 San Diego has it banned there, even though most of California is fine. But San Diego and the city of Oceanside, Oh. Yeah, I was over there. So best of the blue I'll I'll send you the link. Well, I mean, here's the thing. First of all, it law enforcement would have to, you know, be aware of it. And I don't think kratom is something that's on the radar of most people, right, especially law enforcement. And it's not like it's a substance that's killing people and, and causing them to have criminal behavior like you hear about with, you know, some of the other drugs, you know, illegal St. drugs that that 'cause people to, you know, go and rob and, and, and commit crimes so they can, you know, get more. You don't hear about that with kratom users, You know, so I don't think it's so much on the radar with law enforcement. But if somebody, law enforcement is aware of it and you're in a location where is banned and possibly even criminalized, like you don't want to be in that situation because who knows? I mean, right there, there have been a few people we've heard about in the last few years that got locked up and they didn't know it was banned, where they were at and where they were driving.

28:30 So I'll send you the link and I'm going to put that link in the show notes for this episode too. If anybody wants to go, you know, go check that out. It's American. Kratom.org is the website for the American Crane Association and they, they have a link that shows, you know, all the different States and where it's legal. And I think for anybody that's traveling around the country that's consuming kratom, it's just good to be aware. So, you know, so that way whether you're just extra cautious or just not traveling through those specific areas that have banned it, so. To know. Yeah, but yeah, yeah. Well, you know, anybody I talk to that's travelling, I'm like, let me throw that out there because I want to make sure they know. So I want to go back to like how kratom helped you with just your just your impact on life.

29:25 You were saying because of kratom you were able to do the van life, which is awesome, something that you really couldn't have done before kratom. What else has it helped you with? You said you you suffer from some chronic pain issues and anxiety and stuff. Did you like notice that kratom was helping with with like all of those things? Well, at first, no. Like at first I because I was. Getting off the suboxone and like I. Was used to that and I was like. I don't know, I. Felt like I couldn't really feel the full effects of the kratom and I was like, I don't know, I was like whatever, like that and you know, and I just didn't I was like, oh, it helped me get off this, but I didn't wasn't I didn't really notice like how it could help me. I don't know, like in the way where it is now. So and like I said, I was taking it still like getting the Subs out of my system and stuff, and then I just kind of cut it off. So at that point I hadn't really noticed. And then like I just, I felt like I was kind of struggling. And some days, like I said, and I talked to my boyfriend about it a little bit and he was like, yeah, I mean, you know, it does give you like a little bit of energy and stuff. And that he was like, I mean, if

30:56 you really need to take it once in a while, you know, just be careful because otherwise it's just going to, you know, snowball into taking it every day and all the time. Like some people we know. But I was like, yeah, right. And like, I don't know, I took it like once and I was like, it felt like weird to me kind of because I just, I'm so used to like opiates and like I thought it was going to make me feel like that because you know how it like helped me get off the opiates. I don't know. And I was like, I don't know how I like this really. And then I let some more time go by and I was like reading a thread about chronic pain and stuff because I, I was like really struggling and with the paint chronic pain and just like not having energy to work and I don't know, do the stuff I need to do some days. So I was reading like a forum on it on Reddit and some of the girls that had issues on there were like, oh, well, sometimes like I'll take kratom, you know?

32:03 And I was like, I was like, all right, I'm going to take it and like consciously think about how it makes me feel. And I did. And I was like, oh, it did like completely get rid of my pain for one, which is like amazing. But also could be, you know, a double edged sword if you just take it all the time for your pain. But that's just that sort of thing for you. That's how any kind of drug is. But so I was like, OK, and I did realize too that it did give me a little bit of an energy boost, which was pretty important for me.

32:43 I don't know, I feel like I just can drink tons of caffeine. It just doesn't do anything. I don't know. Some people just need like I think it's the fibromyalgia. Like it just keeps me down. Like it tries to prevent me from living my full life. I don't know. I feel like so and some a lot of days like I just have to like deal with it. And a lot of days aren't that bad. But then once in a while I just have days where I'm like, I cannot like get up and function today. So, and that way it's kind of a lifesaver for me because I don't know what I would do. Like probably just like not get out of bed or like, I don't know. It's the work thing has been a big adjustment for me. I'm working full time and obviously because of my past, my issues mentally and drug issues, like I was on disability for a long time.

33:39 I mean, I, I just like, I've never really done well holding a job and it's always been a struggle for me. And now I'm like really trying to, I don't know, just kind of get my stuff together and I don't know, I just bought a new truck. So I mean, now I got truck payments, but I needed a reliable vehicle and it is pretty sweet and I'm always in my truck. I actually have a well, it's a trailer. It's not a van, It's a little cargo trailer that I built into a camper. And so I need a truck to pull that around. So but yeah, so I'm just like, all right, you got to like work and just try to be down my normal. And I don't know, I just feel like the kratom really helps me with that, with the fibromyalgia and, and the anxiety and just the, yeah, the pain and, and the fatigue. The fatigue's like a big thing, too. Yeah, You know, it's interesting because so many people I've talked to on this podcast will say I I used kratom to get off drugs.

34:51 So I've used kratom for like this chronic pain issue I have like, it's like it's whatever. The big thing is they're trying to work on me. They discover kratom, they use it, but then they'll be like, I noticed that I don't crave alcohol anymore, or I've noticed that my anxiety is not so bad anymore, or I've noticed I I have more energy when I consume kratom. And it's so interesting that people notice these secondary things they get out of it. So it sounds like that's what's happened with you. Definitely. And the alcohol thing, I forgot that, but that is totally a thing too. And I, I of course, have an addiction problem with alcohol just like everything else. It so yeah.

35:33 And I, I did use alcohol as a little bit of a crutch through the Suboxone thing. Like the, oh, you asked how I got through those three days while I was taking shots constantly. And like, that's not a good way to deal with it, but not constantly. But I it was the only and the thing with that is it only helps for like a little bit, but I did do that. But I was, I was like, whatever, I was determined to get off of it. I'm not drinking anymore. But you know, then it was like whatever I got to do to get through this. But, and the Kratom does totally help with that. My boyfriend said the same thing. It's like you don't feel like drinking when you're on it. It's amazing really.

36:21 It's really amazing. Yeah, I've had quite a few people tell me that they realized that they weren't craving alcohol anymore. And this one lady I had on the podcast, she's kratom, you know, to get off of drugs that she was addicted to. And then she said, you know what? I still have the six pack of beer in the fridge and I don't ever want it. Like I'm going to pour it out. Like I don't even desire that anymore. Like something she was really aware of with kratom until she realized like she goes, I can't believe how long that beer was sitting in my fridge. I've heard stories like that where like, wow, I huh, I don't even, you know, want to have a beer?

37:04 Yeah, it's awesome. It it is. It's a lightsaber. Yeah, is, is super interesting. Well, your story is so interesting, Scarlett, like you, you, you've been through a lot and there's just your your story, I think is going to help a lot of people because they can relate to this. Is there anything else that you wanted to talk about that that we didn't cover yet or I didn't think to ask when it comes to kratom in your story? No, I, I. I feel like we pretty much covered like all the bases, you know, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's I just, I am really happy with it and I just, you know, just be careful with it too.

37:51 Just like anything. That's my little PSA, just because obviously I don't know any sort of substance like should be used. As a tool. I mean, maybe that's just my opinion, but you know, but it yeah, it can if you are having issues with drugs or alcohol or chronic pain or even like anxiety, any of that stuff like it, it can definitely save your life. I mean, I shouldn't be alive right now. It's kind of a miracle. And the kratom took my life to the next step, you know, getting off those Subs. But even if you're, you know, doing fentanyl or like anything and just like the depths of worst addiction, this can help you. I can help you so.

38:36 Yeah, well, we'll wrap this up with a PSA for you to share. When I close out, I always like to have the guests share with us. Knowing everything you know now about kratom, what advice would you give to someone starting on their journey? But what I would love for you to do is talk about that transition. Like what would you tell somebody going from Subs to kratom? Because so many people I've talked to over the years, they're trying so hard to stop Subs and they say it's so hard to do. Suboxone is a tough one and you've been through it and you did it and you got to the other side. So if somebody is hearing about kratom but they're on Suboxone, like what? What would you tell them?

39:19 I'm going to say like it's not going to be a walk in the park, like you're still going to feel, you know, you're still going to feel like a little sick, but it is nowhere like it makes it a possibility. So what I would say is I don't know my opinion and my friend agreed. My boyfriend agreed. I think the red 1 is the best for trying to get off opiates. It's the one that's most like the opiate receptors. And I would say like as far as dosing, it might be a little different, but don't be afraid to go hard with it at first, like to get through.

40:10 It with the Suboxone because it's, you know, it's going to be tough and like you said, you could probably go just 24 hours and then start taking that. You don't have to do days like I did and that's going to be the toughest part. But like you can get, you can do it. You can do it. If I did it like I'm telling you, if I can do it, anybody can do it for real. I mean, and and I have like the chronic pain and all these other issues on top of it, which I'm sure a lot of people do, but I would so I like, I don't know, like you said on the back, a lot of the ones say take 3, I feel like it might whatever.

40:50 I would at least like double that. Like maybe even more. Like it probably depends on your addiction, your weight. You know, women don't need as much stuff as men. So I mean, I would at least try 6 to 10 like at once, you know, and with if you're getting off the Subs, you're going to need to redose every couple hours. Like I was like every three, sometimes 4 hours. I would have to take like like you're going to go through a lot of them, you know, at 1st and you're going to have to go way harder than you would if you weren't getting off Suboxone. And like, you know, just keep in mind it's going to take a little longer to kick in and Suboxone would, you know, it can take 3045 minutes maybe. So that's why like I was like not feeling good by 4 hours. So that's why I was like re dosing at three, you know what I mean?

41:48 To kind of try to stay ahead of it because that'll really help. It's like they tell you at the dentist when you get a tooth pulled, like stay ahead of the pain type of thing. But yeah, I mean, and my friend did it too. I helped her through it. So, you know, it just depends. But I would definitely go heavy with it, like I'm saying. And it's going to be every couple hours and it'll be kind of annoying. But I mean, yeah, I guess that's like my best advice. And I would do it for at least probably a month or at least a good month of that because the Subs are going to take at least that long to fully get out of your system. That's how I felt.

42:32 I mean, I was on Subs for 14 years. So I do think it was like a good month. I kind of wish I would have kept taking the creative maybe for two months or so. But I was just like, I don't know, kind of, I was just tired of feeling sick. So I was like whatever. And like now I said now like I said, I only take 6 for the whole day if I take it now, you know, now that I've gotten past that. So but yeah, you're going to be going real hard with it if you're trying to get off the Subs every couple hours, probably 6 to 10 of the pills. And that's my best advice for you. Yeah, I love it.

43:15 And you're talking about capsules when you're saying? I took the capsules. I mean, I what was the brand that I don't know well, whatever, it doesn't really matter. But I found this one brand that I like, but do your research, try to get like one of the more premium brands like that. Like you said, there's all different ones and I don't know, just try to find something like legit. I mean the smoke shop, I just was getting mine at the smoke shops because they they had the 1 main brand that I liked. So but yeah, I mean the ones if you go to a good smoke shop, they usually have like the good stuff, but and they also have extract pills.

43:58 I don't know if any people know about those. I personally was on a budget. Yeah, this is actually important if you're getting off opiates. I was on a budget. So I went with the best quality of like the regular kratom that I could get and was taking like you know what I told you, But they had, if you have like more money to spend, they have extract pills and a lot of them will come and like it's only like 3 in the pack, but it's like, I feel like one of those is like the equivalent to the six or eight or whatever. I don't know exactly that you would take of the other ones.

44:39 So and I think they also have an extract that's like liquid but just be careful you don't accidentally buy that weird 7 HO stuff they have out now. Yeah, the seven that stuff is. Bad. It's like, yeah, it's like research chemical chemical like fentanyl or whatever that do not get that. But yeah, the extra pills, I think the one brand is like OPMS or something with the extract pills. If you could do. That that's better? Yeah, Yep. Yeah, You know, extracts are pricier for sure.

45:19 And they're typically in like tablets or even extract powder, but it's usually those extract shots. So the liquid, they're pricey. But what I see a lot in the community is that when people are switching to that when they first tried kratom and they go into that, it is easy to overuse them because they're they're more, they're more potent than the plant. But also with the plant, with the powder, you get all the alkaloids. And that's probably why you're getting the full benefit with the anxiety relief, the energy, the pain relief, like you're getting like the full spectrum of it because you're getting all those alkaloids. Whereas the neck Trax, it is usually just two alkaloids and then the seven OH is just the one alkaloid. And those are bad news.

46:11 All we hear are negative news about those. So I'm glad you're mentioning all of that. This is great information that I can help people. So I really appreciate your time today. Doing this with us was, you know, doing your your camper life. That's just so I love that, you know, people are doing that and they're, you know, kratom consumers out on the road and able to, you know, live a free life. It's awesome. Yeah, it's great. Well, thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.