Ep 71: From Desperation to Relief: Stacy Wismer on the Power of Kratom

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I've got to 3G and I noticed I'm
like, OK, that's that is

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something like from head to toe.
My pain got better.

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I mean, I had really bad, you
know, the bladder pain and the

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sacral pain and the nerve pain
was just excruciating.

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And that went from an 8 to a
two, I would say 8 to a 2.

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And I was like, and I used to be
a big runner and I was like, I

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feel like I'm going to run.
And my husband's like slow it

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down.
You know, you just took this at

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your, this is a little just
let's adjust.

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So I kind of stayed with the
greens and Reds and I went up to

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eventually about a 3 1/2 Grants.
So I'm here with Stacy Wismer, A

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fellow kratom consumer, eager to
hear her story and have her

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share it with you all.
So Stacy, thank you so much for

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coming on the podcast.
I, I just love doing this.

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You know, this is something I'm
just very passionate about and I

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think it's important for people
to hear our stories.

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Absolutely.
Thank you for having me.

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Yeah, so tell us a little bit
about yourself and life before

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kratom.
OK, well I was born in Michigan.

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I'm from like a little outside
Ann Arbor, MI and where

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University of Michigan is.
My parents divorced when I was

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young so I then I my parents
remarried.

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I moved around about 13 times.
Wasn't in the army, I just

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happened to move around a lot.
Only child.

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As a child I've always was
really sickly.

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I had just odd things all the
time.

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I was happy, but I just always
had really odd sicknesses and

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you know, I just kind of blew
through them.

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Didn't even think anything about
it.

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When I got into college, I was,
I think part of it was I

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started, I started drinking a
lot to cover up some of my

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symptoms.
Cannabis didn't do it for me.

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It didn't cover anything up.
I mean, I just had no good

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reaction to it.
So I would just drink a lot.

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It would cover up a lot of my
symptoms of pain.

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Just weird things that were
happening that no one could

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figure out.
But it wasn't constant.

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It was just here and there.
I started dating my husband my

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freshman year of college and we
had a pretty good, I had a

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pretty good four years of decent
health, just weird little blips

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on the radar.
And I'd say probably when I was

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22, I started having really
horrible pain in my bladder.

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But I had had this kind of in
the past and I thought it was a

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urinary tract infection.
And so of course, you drink

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cranberry juice that doesn't do
anything.

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And then it just got worse and
worse and worse.

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So I went to like every doctor.
This is back in, gosh, 1998.

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I went to every doctor you could
think of and they just didn't

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know what I had.
They just said you don't have an

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infection.
But the pain and I was at this

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point I was bleeding just pure
blood when I would go pee and I

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was, it was just excruciating.
And I just gotten engaged and I

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was getting ready to start a job
and I was thinking I can, I

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can't do this.
I don't, I don't know what's

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going on.
I'm 22 years old.

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And so I started, I went to a
urologist and they said, well,

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you might have something called
IC interstitial cystitis, but we

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don't really know what it is.
We don't know what what has

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caused.
We don't know really what's

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going to go on.
And I said, well, OK, is there a

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specialist in this?
So I finally found a specialist,

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which is very rare in 1998.
And I went to Beaumont, which is

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in Royal Oak in Michigan.
And probably one of the top guys

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that is the the IC specialist.
I still see him today and he's

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he did a bunch of tests.
You have to have a camera go in

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and look at your bladder and
basically what it is, is you

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have open ulcers in your
bladder.

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The what your bladder lining has
worn away and you just have

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these open ulcers that are in
your bladder that we don't know

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why they're there.
So it's not infection, you just

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have ulcers in your bladder.
So I had a choice at that time

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to start medication, to build a
fake lining in my bladder, start

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pain medication, which I had to
at that time.

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I had to do something in until I
could heal up the ulcers and

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then change my diet completely.
So it's called an IC diet.

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And at that point I had been
drinking a lot in my life and I

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had to absolutely cold Turkey,
cut out alcohol.

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Like right away it was just cold
Turkey.

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No alcohol, no caffeine, no
nothing acidic.

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So my life became bland.
Mashed potatoes, macaroni, I

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mean, anything that was the most
bland food you could ever, ever

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want to to eat.
That's what I had to eat.

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Water and milk, that's all I
could eat.

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And that went on for about a
year and I got better.

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We moved to Colorado and I
thought, oh, I'm, I'm going to

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have a mixed drink one night.
I'm better.

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Threw myself right back into it
again and I said I can't do this

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anymore, I have to stick to my
diet.

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In between this I was taking
pain medication and in those

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days they gave you whatever they
were trying to give me

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methadone, they were trying to
give me all sorts of stuff.

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And I think at that time I was
just going to take, I was

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probably 89 lbs soap and wet.
So I think I would take like 1/2

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a Percocet just to get me by for
like a month, like a day.

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And then I get better.
And then I'd stick to my IC

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diet.
And that kind of went on for I

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would say like 10 years.
And then I got pregnant with my

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daughter and I went into
remission, which is very common

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when you're pregnant with IC.
And this is kind of where my

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health, it's like something
about pregnancy just brings out

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stuff and your body had a
healthy pregnancy, had her and

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I, I, I just lost too much
blood.

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I had an emergency C-section.
I ended up having postpartum

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psychosis.
I ended up getting seizures from

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that, from something, it was
something with the spinal damage

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from the Spinal Tap.
It was a mess.

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So that started on my severe
depression kick.

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So then I have IC and
depression, which the IC was

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still kind of in remission a
little bit.

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And so then that started my
journey with living with IC and

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then deep, deep depression,
which I'd never had ever.

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And then I would say I waited.
I had to wait five years to get

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pregnant again with Griffin
because I was not well.

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I was just not well.
And I maybe had one or two

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episodes where I had to go back
on some pain medication in

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between them.
But it wasn't a big deal.

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I didn't have to do it for long.
And then I had Griffin had a

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actually a really great
pregnancy.

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Everything went well, still in
remission.

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And then I would say maybe about
2018, I started feeling like I

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was sitting on a rock, like
something was in my pelvic area.

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And I'm like, this is just
bizarre.

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Do I have a pelvic infection?
Do I have a, do I have cancer?

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Like what's going on went to
every doctor you could think of

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at this point.
I'm used to doctors.

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I'm used.
I, I can, I will push, I will

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push and push and push and I
will go to every doctor until I

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get what I want.
Because I have been doing this

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since I was 22 and I finally my
gynecologist is like, let's give

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you a pelvic floor MRI and
everybody else was giving me MRI

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is up.
So they went lumbar up and this

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one was lumbar to your tailbone.
And right away a big cyst in my

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sacrum popped up.
It was a big on my S3 and it was

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pretty big.
And they're like, well, that's a

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Tarloff cyst.
They're like, usually these are

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asymptomatic.
And I said, well, I'm telling

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you, I have pain.
And it felt like I was sitting

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in Iraq and I had horrible pain
in my like, lower sacrum and my

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left part of my butt.
And it was to the point where I

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could barely walk now.
And then also my urine would

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just trickle out, just trickle
out.

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And I was like, this is crazy.
Like, what's going on?

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So I looked up Tarlov, cyst
specialist, and number one was

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Doctor Frank Feigenbaum in
Dallas.

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So I called him and I said, can
I fly?

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I mean, I barely could drive at
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I said I need to come in and
have a consultation.

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I got all my MRI reports.
I said no one wants to do

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anything at U of M No one wants
to treat it.

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And if they did, they wanted to
do some weird procedure that I

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read up on and everybody and
everybody was saying no, don't

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have the aspiration of the cyst
flew into Dallas.

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He looked at my MRI.
He said all of your symptoms

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correlate to Tarloff's cyst
disease, which is basically a,

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it's basically a fluid filled
cyst on your, your spinal nerve

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root.
And it's, it's, I guess, spinal.

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What's the spinal fluid that
balloons your nerve root out and

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then starts compressing all the
other nerves.

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So that's why my urine was
trickling out.

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That's why I felt like I was
sitting on a rock.

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And he said, I can do the
surgery.

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You'll be here, you'll be in
hospital for 10 days.

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And then you'll have to for
seven days.

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And then you'll be recovering
for 10 days in Dallas.

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So here I am in Michigan.
I have two children.

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And then I have to have somebody
go with me.

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And my husband at the time had a
really, really high paced sales

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job.
He was in global payments and he

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was always gone.
And I'm thinking, how am I going

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to do this?
Mom?

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My parents were very supportive.
So I knew I had help.

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So we flew to Dallas.
I and he said, listen, I'm going

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to stop the progression, but
your symptoms might still be

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there.
And I'm like, he's like, it's

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possible your nerves can get
better, but it if we don't do it

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now, it's possible that you
might not be able to, to walk

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pee again.
I mean, it was bad.

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So I went, he had the surgery.
It, it wasn't actually that it

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was bad.
Don't get me wrong, it was bad,

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but they, they were just
amazing.

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He knew what he was doing.
I loved Dallas.

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I had never been to Dallas
before.

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They were great.
The whole team was great.

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He's just phenomenal.
And I had like, I'd become

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friends with like two or three
other people that were having it

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done at the same time.
It's usually women that have

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these and they're you can go all
up down your spine.

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So now I have a propensity to
get them all up and down my

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spine.
I haven't gotten a new one,

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thank God.
But there was a young man that

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was with in the next room and he
was probably 20 years old and

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very unusual for a man to have
it.

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And he had had it.
And oh, the things that men have

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when they have it in their
sacrum.

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Terrible.
So I recovered, he said, a five

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year recovery, five years.
So I was like, oh man.

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And at this point I was working
part time.

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I'd never really been able to
go.

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First of all, I had children.
And second of all, my health was

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just never great.
It was just never, it was always

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something bizarre.
I had these myoclonic seizures.

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I had the deep depression.
I also had two children.

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I just was never able to go.
Now I had a career job.

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I work in engineering, but they
let me come back part time.

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It was amazing and they were
very, very, I was blessed.

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I got had a really good manager.
He's like you do do the work,

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you're fine.
Just come in 20 hours a week.

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I was on my husband's insurance,
thank God, and I just started

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healing.
It took about 6, I think I took

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six months off.
It took me a while and then I

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went back part time.
And I would say in 2022, I got

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in a bad car accident and
totaled my car.

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A guy had hit me in a roundabout
and it ignited something in my

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body, some kind of inflammatory
response.

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Not really sure at this.
Before that I had been

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acupuncture, massage therapy,
homeopathic I I have done it all

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anything natural I have done and
it nothing was helping me.

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I couldn't stop the pain.
I couldn't even, I couldn't even

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go to work barely if I did, I
was crying.

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It was bad.
And I was thinking either I'm

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going back on pain medication,
which I never did a lot.

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I was very careful with it, or I
got to do something else like a

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spinal simulator.
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stimulators.
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live the rest of my life at this
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I'm, I think I, I was 45 when I
got it.

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I can't remember how old I was,
but I was, I was like, I cannot

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end my life now.
Like this is, I have a lot more

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life left.
So my husband said, you know,

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Amanda, his best friend's wife,
she has endometriosis really bad

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in the hospital, in the hospital
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He's like, she takes kratom
every night.

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Remember I told you that?
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But I, I don't know.
I just didn't think anything of

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it because I, I was so weirded
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I was like, no, I'm not taking a
tea, you know?

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And then he's like Stacey, don't
you remember in the mid 90s, my

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friend Bart, he was in the mid
90s.

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I remember Zach telling me his
friend Bart would crush up the

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kratom leaves, put him in
capsules and then mail.

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He was, he worked for a mail
order company in Ann Arbor and

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he would ship them to women that
have women's problems, whatever

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that meant.
That's about the only

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information I got on my husband.
I tried to before I talked to

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you and he was, that's all I got
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So this was, I've heard this in
the mid to late 90s.

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I just thought, I have no idea
what this plant is.

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I just knew that if this guy
that he was seeing encapsulating

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it, I was, he was a little
sketchy.

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So I was like, I I'm not
touching this.

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But then when he knew and I was
desperate and I think this is

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what you hear a lot.
People are desperate because

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they're kind of weirded out by
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I don't know what this is.
And I called Amanda and I said,

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how do you take it?
What do you take?

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Where do I go?
And she was just unbelievably

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helpful.
She gave me, you know, go to the

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AKA, look at vendor approved,
try little sample packs, you

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know, certain she went the whole
gamut, greens, Reds, whites, all

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that.
And I did, I ordered the stuff.

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I started out 1g, got one of
those teeny little scales start

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out 1g.
And it was probably, I think my

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first time taking kratom was
probably one of the funniest

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things that my family has seen.
We had just had a garage sale

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and I'm like I'm going to try my
kratom for the first time trying

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to green belly strain.
Did a 1g and remember I don't

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drink caffeine.
I took 1g and I could not stop

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talking like I literally could.
I was like, and I was outside

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and my family's like, what did
she take?

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Like at this point, I think Zach
is the only one, My husband is

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the only one that knew that I
had taken the creative.

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I could not stop talking Now it
didn't, it didn't really help

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with my pain at the point, but
it made me happy and I could not

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stop talking.
And it was they were laughing

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hysterically and they like they
will never forget the first day

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that I took it because I talked
nonstop.

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So then I'm thinking, well, I
got I need to increase this.

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So I think the next, I think I
went into it very slow, maybe

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two days later I did 2 grams.
OK, I can feel a little bit, but

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it made me a little jittery
because I remember I don't drink

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anything caffeinated so and I'm
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So I said, well, Amanda said
that sometimes the Reds can make

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you tired.
And you know how everybody says

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the Reds make the pain better?
Well, I tried the red and it

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didn't work for me.
It didn't even make me sleepy

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really.
It just did nothing.

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So but I'm thinking the greens
making me a little jittery.

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I'm just going to add a touch of
the red in I've got to 3G and I

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noticed I'm like, OK, that's
that is something like from head

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to toe.
My pain got better.

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I mean, I had really bad, you
know, the bladder pain and the

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sacral pain and the nerve pain
was just excruciating.

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And that went from an 8 to A2, I
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And I was like, and I used to be
a big runner and I was like, I

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feel like I'm going to run.
And my husband's like slow it

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down.
You know, you just took this at

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your, this is a little just
let's adjust.

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So I kind of stayed with the
greens and Reds and I went up to

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eventually about a 3 1/2 grams.
And I'm one of those people that

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measure it out to the NTH.
I'm just real OCD that way.

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I know some people just dump it
and they're good.

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I am not that way.
I did one time take 4G and I

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threw it up.
So I know that I have a

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threshold for me personally.
And so 3 1/2 is my sweet spot.

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I alternate between different.
I have different strains of

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green and different vendors,
which I learned from you and

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other people, but I also learned
from my husband because he is a

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cannabis user and he would have
talked about strain confusion

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and stuff like that.
And he actually now works in the

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cannabis industry.
So he and they, the cannabis

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industry, they sell kratom in
Michigan at their places.

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I don't get it from there.
I get it from the the approved

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vendors.
But he had no, he had no by

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kratom for a long time.
And he's like, Stacey, you

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should have tried this 20 years
ago.

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I'm like, there's no way I would
have done it.

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So now I'm still bizarre.
I'm a little weird about it

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still.
I probably should take it every

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day, but I take it five days,
five times a day, five days,

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once a day, five days a week.
And I have two days off.

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And the reason I do that, and I
probably this is too much

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information, but Constipation.
And it doesn't matter what I do

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now that I I went through early
menopause because of my surgery.

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It threw me in an early
menopause at 45.

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And every single symptom that
you can have with menopause, I

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have had Constipation is one of
them.

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And so then you add kratom on to
it.

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It does not matter.
I think the only thing that it

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can dislodge anything is if I
take a fiber drink probiotic.

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Lacks, 2 Lacks.
I mean, it's ridiculous.

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So I take two days off just to
kind of give my body a little so

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I don't get used to the strains,
and then just to give my body a

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little bit of regular day.
Now those days are rough.

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I will admit that I sometimes
take a tramadol, 25 milligrams

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Tramadol, and I'll take a
Tylenol and an Aleve.

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My husband thinks it's
ridiculous.

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He's like, you should be taking
it all the time.

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He's like, why are you doing
this to yourself?

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I'm still working through that.
It's been since 2022.

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I'm still like finding new
vendors.

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I'm really like weird about
finding new vendors because I

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don't know, some people got me
all weirded out.

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They're like, you should test it
for fentanyl and all that other

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stuff.
And I was like, oh, don't put

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that in my brain.
I'm already a warrior and I'm

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getting it from their approved
vendors.

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So I was like, oh, OK, so I'm
going off of this list, you

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know, And yeah, that's kind of
where I am now.

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I took it today at about 10 and
I feel great.

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I mean, I felt like like with
with another thing with

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menopause is not only does my
back, my nerves hurt where my

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back is and my bladder, but the
joint pain that comes with

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menopause from head to toe.
I feel like I have the flu all

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the time.
Did not know that that would

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happen.
My mom had a hysterectomy at a

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very young age.
She didn't tell me about any.

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No one talks about this, but I
love to talk about this.

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I like to talk about kratom and
I like to talk about menopause.

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That sounds like a podcast you
just start.

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And my, that's all my
girlfriends and I talk about and

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I, it has helped me so much with
menopausal symptoms.

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The, the pain, that joint pain.
I mean, if I take it and I have

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all that my normal pain and the
joint pain and I take it and it

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just eases everything I can, I
can go out and run now I do like

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a run, walk.
I can do any kind of video, like

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workout video.
I mean, I can't I still have, if

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you'll see me shifting a lot, I
still can't sit normally.

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That's the one thing with is I
have a plate in my back where my

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sacrum is and it still hurts to
sit.

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That was the so I have a stand,
sit desk wherever I'm at.

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Driving hurts me tremendously to
this day, even if I have kratom,

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I can't drive very far.
So that kind of stopped me going

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for long distance drives, even
long plane rides.

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My in laws live in Spain.
It's a tough, tough flight over.

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I have two teenagers, so one's
almost 28, and they drive me

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around, so thank God.
But yeah, that's that's kind of

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a short Cliff Notes version of
my crazy life.

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Stacy, your story's amazing and
you're a great storyteller.

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I mean, you just painted the
entire picture and you did such

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a great job of that.
So thank you for for sharing all

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of that.
You know what's interesting with

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you?
And I think like many of us as

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we get older, you're so in tune
to your body and like you really

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are aware of everything.
Because when we're like that,

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we're able to understand more
than the doctor does many times,

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you know, because that we're
paying attention to every little

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detail.
Yeah, I, I have become my own

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advocate right away and I do the
same for my children and my

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husband.
I, I, I have probably had 95%

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bad doctors, 4% good doctors,
maybe one, well, No 3% good

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doctors and 1% excellent doctors
because I've been in the system

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since I was very young.
I'm about 50 now.

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So it's like I've seen, I've
seen and heard it all.

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And I, I go into certain
situations if I go into a new

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specialist and I could just tell
right away, I'm like, we're not

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going to get along.
You know what I mean?

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It's just not going to happen.
I do have a really fabulous

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doctor that's a homeopath and MD
right now.

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And she's, she's like, you can
do the Kratom or I can give you

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Tramadol.
What do you, I mean, she was the

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first doctor since they stopped
giving opioids.

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That's like, you know what,
you're a chronic pain patient.

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She's like, I know you don't
abuse it.

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If anything, you don't take
anything I give you like I've

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been on all I've been at all.
I've been on every

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antidepressant, I've been on
every gabapentin.

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I've been at all for pain and
nothing helped until I did grade

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them.
Not even when I take the

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tramadol during the off days
takes my pain from a nine to

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maybe a 5-6.
And then I have to take a leave

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and a Tylenol on top of it and
it still doesn't do anything.

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So again, like why am I doing
this to myself?

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Yeah, yeah, that's, it's so
interesting.

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Well, you know, when I was in
pain management for 9 years, I,

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I had never really ventured into
botanicals and, and supplements

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and stuff all that much.
So, you know, you don't know

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what you don't know, at least
for me.

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And so I was just like, grateful
I could get access to the

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opioids for my chronic pain.
And I was like, OK, well, at

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least I'm able to function more
and I can work more and do

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stuff.
And I'm like, OK, this is not

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bad.
I mean, I didn't feel great.

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And I still have a very high
pain level.

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I mean, my really good day would
be a six or seven easily.

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Like, I never was below that.
On a good day, bad days with all

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the opiates, I'd be at a 10 or I
told the doctor, I'm at 11.

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You know, like a lot of people
don't understand what we go

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through when we suffer from
really severe chronic pain.

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And when I lost that access, I'm
like, really freaking out.

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Like, I mean, it wasn't that
opiates were a magic pill for

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me, but it allowed me to not be
on disability, to be able to

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work, to be functioning, to be a
mom, to do all the things I

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wanted to do.
I couldn't do a lot of physical

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activity, but that was OK.
You learn to that.

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You learn that that's OK.
Yes, you really do.

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00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,000
And that's like, I was an
athlete before, I'm not an

439
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,560
athlete anymore, you know what I
mean?

440
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,800
I at least can live my life and
I'm not in a wheelchair, right?

441
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,560
I, yeah, I you got to put things
into perspective.

442
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:43,160
And even, I mean, I remember
them trying to give me methadone

443
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,080
and my husband's like, you're
not taking that.

444
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,760
And I'm like, take something at
some point as before kratom And

445
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,960
he knew it.
I mean, and he's he's like, take

446
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,600
it if you need it.
But I think at that point I had

447
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,280
gotten on some better
medication, but it, this was

448
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,600
just such a Hayden was just such
a blessing to me.

449
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,920
And I, I didn't even know it was
out there.

450
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:12,400
You know, I knew it was out
there, but I didn't believe it.

451
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,040
I didn't believe it.
I just assumed it would never

452
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,320
happen with my pain because I
have the nerve pain is so bad.

453
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,480
I thought, well, it's muscle
pain, it's endometriosis.

454
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,880
No.
And I also have 5 ruptured dips

455
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,120
in my neck.
And that was the car accident

456
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,000
and I'm not having surgery on
that.

457
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,800
I'm just, I just go to PTIII
mean it.

458
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,640
I have to say sometimes my neck
pain is worse than my back pain.

459
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,200
I don't know which one's worse.
So I say to my doctor sometime I

460
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,240
said, listen, I feel like I'm
dying.

461
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,960
Like do I, if someone would say
I, this is terrible to say and

462
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,440
gosh, God, I don't mean this,
but I, it's like if someone

463
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,520
would say I had cancer, like I
would not be shocked.

464
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,480
Like that's how bad I felt.
Like my bones hurt.

465
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,440
You know, you can't live like
that.

466
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,280
You just can't.
It's to the point where the pain

467
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,440
is so bad I shake, you know,
I'll start shaking and all I can

468
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,880
do is lay down on the like on
the side.

469
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,720
I can't stand the ground laying
down all the time.

470
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:19,040
So kratom has just been amazing,
just with just a few side

471
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,200
effects that it's not bad.
Trying the Constipation.

472
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,640
I do notice that it does effects
my sex drive a little bit.

473
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,800
That's just me.
I am trying to figure out if the

474
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,000
30 lbs I gained was from
menopause or something.

475
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,360
I don't know what it's from
because I work out and I don't

476
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,480
eat very much, so I'm just like
a lot of people that take kratom

477
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,920
say they lose weight.
I people have been all over the

478
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,240
map with that because you know,
my TikTok so many times people

479
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,000
ask questions and then like in a
comment, I'll turn into a video

480
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,840
post so that everybody can
answer.

481
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,080
And it's always interesting when
we have that particular subject

482
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,480
because, you know, some people
say they, they've lost a lot of

483
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,760
weight since they started
Kratom.

484
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,280
Some people say I've gained
weight.

485
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,520
You get a lot of us that say no
change, no change.

486
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,640
It's just it's always across the
board, isn't it's never like

487
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,840
this pinpoint.
I've heard sex drive.

488
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,480
I've heard that one before from
people.

489
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,080
Usually men will say that, but
sometimes I've heard that one.

490
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,400
Constipation, I think is the
most common reaction with

491
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,520
Kratom.
And but you know what, so was

492
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,560
opiates.
I I actually had worse

493
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,400
experience with that when I was
in pain management than I did

494
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,320
with Kratom.
But what's interesting that I

495
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,680
always tell people, because a
lot of people are like, I don't

496
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,360
know what to take with with this
kratom Constipation.

497
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,000
I said, look, when I was in pain
management, I had a lot of that

498
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,480
was like my biggest adverse
reaction was dealing with that.

499
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,480
And at one point my doctor had
me use Senna S, which is over

500
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,760
the counter.
And you know, that one's good

501
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,440
because the combination of the
softener and a laxative.

502
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,840
And he says it's safe to take
every day.

503
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,360
You could take 3A day and, and
that should help you

504
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,680
tremendously because we were
going to put me on prescription

505
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:05,840
one.
I'm like, well, if I can avoid a

506
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,920
prescription one that's not as
strong.

507
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,120
So he said, let's try this.
If it doesn't work, then we'll

508
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,920
do the prescription Senna S3
times a day took care of me, you

509
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,200
know, on the tail end of my
opiate.

510
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,160
It's pain management days when
just because of the different

511
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,800
meds we were using.
That was a lot worse than before

512
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,920
when I switched to kratom and
everybody was talking about

513
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,520
Constipation being, you know,
like the one big thing a lot of

514
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,680
people talk about having to deal
with.

515
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,480
I thought, well, I'm already
taking a Cinna S.

516
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,680
I'll just continue taking it and
maybe I need more, maybe I need

517
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,600
less.
Let's see.

518
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,520
And I so I didn't stop the Cinna
S.

519
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,840
So I did not have any
Constipation issues.

520
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,600
And as a matter of fact, I even
tried taking less of it to see,

521
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,240
well, maybe I don't need it
three times a day.

522
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,640
Maybe I can take less of it.
And and I was like, OK, I'm just

523
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,000
do it twice a day.
So I do it twice a day.

524
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,040
And so all these years so I
still take the same over the.

525
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,600
Counter.
That's amazing, yeah.

526
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,480
And I sweat, but I take a little
bit less.

527
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,000
And I've mentioned this quite a
few times in conversations with

528
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,600
people and so many people said I
didn't think to try that one.

529
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,360
And when people come back and
say, wow, that that really did

530
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,880
help me.
Yep, Yep, I've been.

531
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,560
I take a fiber trach in the
morning and then I take and then

532
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,640
sometimes I'll push it with some
little Miralax in my water and

533
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:26,280
that seems to be fine.
And yeah, I, I think it, I never

534
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,440
had an issue with that before.
So it was like another thing.

535
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,000
But yeah, I mean, there's
certain side effects.

536
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:39,280
But to to be pain free and live
my life, I mean the, the small

537
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,440
little things that I can deal
with outweighs dramatically.

538
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,640
Now I do notice, I did notice
when I was there was a point

539
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,240
when I was taking it twice a day
and I do I was doing it more

540
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,880
twice a day.
I had my dentist tell me my

541
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,360
teeth were getting stained and I
was like, you brush my teeth a

542
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,960
lot.
I have, I'm just genetically

543
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,520
predisposed to have terrible
teeth.

544
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,440
Like I I could brush my teeth
all day long and I get cavities.

545
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,600
That's just what happens.
To my teeth, I'm the same way.

546
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,520
And it's like, I don't even
think if I took I would still

547
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,600
get a cavity.
But they're like, we noticed

548
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,840
that you have some staining and
that they're like as soon as

549
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,120
you're due, you know, because I
wasn't brushing right after the

550
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,720
kratom.
And so now I just brush real

551
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,160
soon after just to hurry and get
the stain off.

552
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,040
And then I just do some more
whitening stuff.

553
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,640
But they haven't said anything
since about that.

554
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,240
I haven't heard that one before
though I haven't heard anybody

555
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,400
say about staining.
Though that's yeah, he's like,

556
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,560
he's like a little stained and
I'm like.

557
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,320
Like a coffee stain.
Yeah, and I didn't really ask

558
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,200
what color because I was like,
oh, I'm probably my kratom,

559
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:49,560
which I tell everybody about
because I everybody that's knows

560
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,600
me knows that I've had pain for
a long, long time, especially at

561
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,920
work.
I measure my little cup.

562
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,320
I we have a beautiful, I have a
beautiful workplace.

563
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,840
And when I go, I go in twice a
week and I get my hot water.

564
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,440
And so I'm always in the
cafeteria, which is there's

565
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,160
little cafeterias all throughout
the building.

566
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,440
And so people, I've been there
15 years.

567
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,600
So people come up and they're
like, Oh, you taking your drink?

568
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,880
And I have educated more people
than I ever thought possible.

569
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,800
And because people know me and
they know that I'm not somebody

570
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,160
that's just would take anything.
They're very interested in it.

571
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,480
And I've had quite a few people
start taking it.

572
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,920
So it's, it's been interesting.
They'll say, look, my, my, my

573
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,720
brother-in-law, he can't move,
come as a back pain.

574
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,120
And, and I said, well, get, get
him in contact me.

575
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,960
I'll you kind of need somebody
to kind of help you.

576
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,280
It's a little bit intimidating
if you know nothing about it.

577
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,080
And I've, I've done that with a
few people now.

578
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:53,560
So I, I did have, I did have
somebody recently, I'd had a

579
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,680
party for my husband for his
50th and I had somebody say,

580
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,080
Stacy, I saw you post that you
were taking Kratom.

581
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,480
So I, he goes, I have really bad
back pain.

582
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:11,120
So he went to the gas station
and got the seven whatever or

583
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,600
the and he said he had never
been so sick in his whole life.

584
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:20,560
I said, you cannot take.
I told you to contact me and

585
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,880
there was somebody else that was
there that was taking it.

586
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,960
And they're like, no, you never
take that.

587
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,159
You always do the crushed, you
know, purely of kratom.

588
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,440
He's like, I didn't know.
And it was he's it soured him on

589
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,040
it so badly that I don't know if
he's going to try it again.

590
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,280
But I was trying to tell him
like that's not kratom so.

591
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,840
Yeah, it's scary.
Like those products because

592
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,360
they're synthesized and when
people hear us talk about

593
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,159
kratom, we're just talking about
a leaf.

594
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,560
But they go to a smoke shop or
convenience store and there's

595
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,400
all these other extremely potent
products that are nothing like

596
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,280
what you and I assume, but they
but they're called kratom.

597
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:01,680
Yes, yes, it's very deceptive.
I actually had my, my old boss

598
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,160
say to me, he comes up to me
last week.

599
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,840
He said, is this the stuff
they're banning that you drink

600
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,520
that green stuff?
And I said, no, it's not.

601
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:16,520
And I tried to like go into it.
I felt like he was not listening

602
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,200
to me very well.
But I mean, I was like, no,

603
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,960
that's not kratom.
And I've had a few people say

604
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,440
that to me and I've had to have
a few chats with them,

605
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,080
especially my mom.
My mom, she's very conservative.

606
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,240
She doesn't want me to eat
really taking anything.

607
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:34,520
But she like encourages me now
she's like Stacy, just take

608
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,760
Kratom.
She's like, why are she's like,

609
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,720
why are you making yourself
suffer?

610
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,600
Like why?
Because she sees me suffer and

611
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,080
she's just like, I don't just
take it, stop being weird about

612
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,120
it.
So I'll just take it.

613
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,680
I love that.
Well, it's great to have support

614
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,440
of your family for sure.
I think that's incredibly

615
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,000
important.
So that leads me to my next

616
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,640
question for you.
What did your family think when

617
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,720
they saw you like suffer in pain
and then start switch to kratom

618
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:04,360
and you're just doing so much
better?

619
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,360
What?
What were their thoughts on

620
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,640
that?
It was like a miracle, like it

621
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:15,560
was like taking someone that was
almost an invalid and I was not

622
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,280
only normal but almost back to
better than I was before because

623
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,800
I've always been had some
issues.

624
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,560
But not only that, but it helped
with my depression too.

625
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,440
It gave me a little bit of a
mood lift.

626
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,440
I felt happy.
I didn't, I don't feel any

627
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:33,960
euphoria.
I don't feel.

628
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,440
I just feel happier.
Maybe that's also because I

629
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,040
don't have any pain, but I think
everybody thought it was a

630
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,720
miracle.
My mom at first was a little

631
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:44,760
skeptical because of course you
don't really know.

632
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,600
But she also trusts me and she
knows I'm very, very picky with

633
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,600
what I take, like any
medication.

634
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,840
And my husband was amazed.
He was like I he, we had known

635
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,000
that our friend that had
infometerosis, she had sworn by

636
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,640
it not had to go back to the
hospital in years now because of

637
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,160
it.
And I'm thinking, well, maybe

638
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,840
that's just her, you know, But
when it hit my nerve pain, I was

639
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,280
like, is this a fluke?
You know, like it's just like I

640
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,680
didn't know what to think.
Actually.

641
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,840
It was shocking to me that a
plant leaf could do this.

642
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,760
My husband was shocked.
Everybody was shocked.

643
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,520
And then they were they were
like, continue taking it like

644
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,760
obviously be careful, don't
overdo it, which obviously if I

645
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,200
did like I took the 4G and I
threw it up like I'm very

646
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,800
sensitive.
So but they're they're very

647
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,840
supportive.
My kids know what it is.

648
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:47,360
I educate them on that.
Yeah, I don't all both of my

649
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,280
friends when I have two good
girlfriends from college, I just

650
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,560
went on a vacation with one of
them and she knows I measure out

651
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,920
my Kratom before we do anything
during the day.

652
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,480
And it's like no one even says
anything.

653
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,920
They're just so used to it, you
know.

654
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,680
And if I say and I kind of like
I don't drink it fast like I I

655
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,040
put it in like a mug like this
fill up with hot water and I

656
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,400
kind of believe it or not, I can
handle the taste.

657
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:14,920
There's something about it I
don't mind.

658
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,640
I know I probably want the weird
ones, but a small percentage of

659
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,080
y'all that's.
For sure, you know I have.

660
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,000
I've always had low iron like
and so I crave like earthy

661
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,600
tastes and so like beets,
anything that's earthy tastes

662
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,160
that people mostly don't like I
like.

663
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,880
I like very earthy taste.
So this do I love it?

664
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,160
No, but I can sip on this puppy
for a good 30 minutes.

665
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:42,480
Wow.
Which is probably.

666
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,560
When my teeth get.
Stained, I was about to say,

667
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,760
because I was.
Curious, you know, like how are

668
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:51,000
you drinking it like like I I do
it as a tea as well, but I just

669
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,720
do small amount of water.
I just want to mix it up really

670
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:56,080
good, add some orange juice,
drink it really fast or some

671
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,800
kind of juice drink it really.
So I mean, and I and even drink

672
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,040
it really fast in the beginning
is like this tastes so bad.

673
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,720
But I know, I know.
But one day, yeah, I don't know

674
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:10,560
how.
So even one day into my journey,

675
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,600
like couple years in, I'm like,
what if I use a straw?

676
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,320
So then they'll go down.
Then I don't have to taste it as

677
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,000
much, even though I'm still
drinking a very small amount of

678
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,160
the liquid part of it.
And so I did a straw.

679
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,520
I'm like, that was easier.
I wish I'd known to do that in

680
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,520
the beginning.
So I always tell people if

681
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,200
they're having, if they're doing
swamp water, like like I'm not

682
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,840
going to do toss and wash.
That's not for me.

683
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,680
I'm going to just make it like
the little tea tea, but not a

684
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,600
big tea like I, you know, those
are all that drink a big drink.

685
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,840
I'm like, no, I just want to be
a little like a cappuccino.

686
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,200
Like I just yeah, mix the powder
in with with a small amount of

687
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,480
liquid as it would take to mix
it in, add some juice, slam it

688
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,160
down really quick and and now
I'm getting my 6 hour pain

689
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,400
release.
Yeah, but a straw did help a lot

690
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,600
and and there probably it would
be a way to avoid staining teeth

691
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,480
if but like if you like sipping
it, I can totally understand

692
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:02,880
like and it's a routine you
have.

693
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,560
It's a routine and I do.
This, like this is what I drink

694
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,400
out of it earlier.
I mean, I probably fill it to

695
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,440
like right here with hot, like
hot water.

696
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,840
And then I do my 3 1/2 and it
probably takes me about 20

697
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,000
minutes to drink.
It's something about, yeah.

698
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,080
It's something.
I don't know, it's just my way.

699
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,280
It's just my way.
And I for some reason it's I'm

700
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,600
not going to say it tastes good.
It just doesn't bother me.

701
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,720
And so I just, I'm able to do
it.

702
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:31,920
I know I have given to my
husband a few times and he's

703
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,200
like, he's like gagging like I'm
like, give me a break.

704
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,280
You could not be gagging right
now.

705
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,240
And he chugs it and it's I've
given it to him.

706
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:44,160
He has, he's a snowboarder, A
skateboarder.

707
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,600
He has so many injuries.
So now he has pins are all over

708
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,160
and cannabis is his thing.
So it works for him.

709
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,560
But every now and then I said,
why don't you try some kratom

710
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,960
and I'll give it to him.
And it does work.

711
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,920
He likes it, but he has to pound
it really fast.

712
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:03,440
And so I make it a little, I
don't make it as hot.

713
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,960
I make it pretty hot when I
drink it.

714
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,480
He pounds it and then he's like,
Oh my gosh, how do you do that?

715
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,520
And I'm like, I don't know, I
just do, you know, And then I've

716
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,160
had a few people at work,
they're like, can I taste that?

717
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:19,760
It looks disgusting.
And I'm like, sure.

718
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,400
And they're like, Oh my gosh,
you're drinking that for like at

719
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,360
least 1520 minutes.
I'm like, I know.

720
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,160
But it's, it's just, it's
comforting to me, you know?

721
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,560
Yeah, no, that makes.
I totally get that, and that

722
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,920
makes perfect sense.
And I also think it's

723
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,360
interesting that, you know, your
system is five days on, two days

724
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,440
off.
You know, the other people do

725
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:41,840
that.
I mean, you have to figure out

726
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,840
what works for you and what you
know, what helps you, what

727
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,600
you're comfortable with.
In my case, I've taken it every

728
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,600
day for six years, over six
years.

729
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,040
I've never taken a tolerance
break.

730
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,640
I've never needed to.
And I don't know if it's from

731
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,760
rotating vendors and strains.
When I first started, people

732
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,280
that knew more than I did would
talk about that.

733
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,760
They would say the best way to
avoid tolerance issues is to

734
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,240
always be rotating.
And I thought, well, that's

735
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:08,760
interesting.
And I was already buying from

736
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,320
several different companies.
I thought, well, I can just

737
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,120
regularly do that.
So I always have different ones

738
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,680
to rotate.
And because I was when I was

739
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,440
still experimenting, you want to
try other brands just to see

740
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,480
like you get that point where
like, well, maybe this next one

741
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,200
will be better.
And you're like, oh, this one is

742
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,040
better.
And then you go to another one.

743
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,240
You go, oh, that was mediocre.
OK, I see.

744
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,200
Some are really good, some are
mediocre.

745
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,160
Yes.
It really lets me down like I'll

746
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,840
get the sample packs and it's
like a kid opening a Christmas

747
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,040
present and I'm like, oh, it
looks really green like is this?

748
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,400
And sometimes it just doesn't
hit like I felt nothing.

749
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:49,440
And I've gone through at least
5-6 vendors and I still go back

750
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,960
to the one and it's just, I
can't get that level.

751
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,320
Whatever.
I don't know what they it's a

752
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,320
green strain and I, I don't know
what they specifically do.

753
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,280
It looks like a higher
percentage.

754
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,520
I can never say the word of what
exactly.

755
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,160
Yeah.
Midragaining, yes.

756
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,000
There's multiple.
Ways of saying that?

757
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,480
I just yeah, midragaining.
Midragaining I.

758
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,880
Always say, I see, I do well
with the high mint greens is

759
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,280
what I've noticed.
Because some, some of the

760
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,920
vendors will list what that
percentage of the medragynine is

761
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,760
or you go look up the QR code or
go to their website for their

762
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,880
certificate analysis to see it.
But some of them like some of

763
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,400
the brains I like, they actually
have it right on the package,

764
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,080
the amount of the medragynine.
And I've noticed when it's the

765
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,360
higher ones, I get the best pain
relief.

766
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,720
But everybody's different.
Everybody's different.

767
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,680
If I go down a certain
percentage, if it's like a below

768
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,120
for me personally, if it's a
below a 1.4, yeah, I don't feel

769
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,480
anything.
So I have to be specific.

770
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,360
I was like I said, adding a
little red here and there just

771
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,320
to sometimes I get the jitters a
little.

772
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:03,680
I have tried white White's too.
Much I felt.

773
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:09,120
I felt like I was like, oh, I
just felt very jittery and I

774
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,200
felt like my skin was crawling
and I, I didn't like it red just

775
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,680
didn't really.
Maybe it was a little calmy

776
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,760
maybe, but nothing for pain.
Same here.

777
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:19,800
Same here.
It's.

778
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,920
Just sometimes I might feel a
little bit calmer with it, but

779
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,320
no pain relief.
It's like, okay, but I want pain

780
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,480
relief.
That's the only reason why I

781
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,040
take this.
The only reason why I take it I

782
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,280
would love.
To get some good.

783
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,880
Sleep from it.
When people talk about the best

784
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,800
sleep they've had from red
kratom, I'm like, I wish that

785
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,480
worked for me, too, but it never
has.

786
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,960
And that's OK.
Because for me, the main thing,

787
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,360
if I can get pain relief for my
neck and back with my

788
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,120
degenerative disk disease, I'm
happy.

789
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,320
Now I have other pains.
You know, I don't look it, but

790
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,360
I'm 60.
And yeah, you look great.

791
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,200
Thank you.
Good genes, my mom.

792
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,400
Always looked young, my mom
always looked young and I'm

793
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,000
like, I hope I'm like that when
I get older.

794
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,480
But we're going to have other
pains as we age and kratom

795
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,840
doesn't always help my other
joint pains and stuff.

796
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,240
And that's OK because my main is
a degenerative, this disease.

797
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:08,480
And if I can have that under
control, I can live with

798
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,200
anything else, you know?
Absolutely.

799
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,040
So I do great.
And I will supplement with

800
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,080
Tylenol from time to time for my
joint pain or Aleve or whatever

801
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:18,880
is figuring out what works for
you.

802
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,640
Yeah, yeah.
And it's.

803
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,560
You know, for me, I'm just
trying to like I had, I also

804
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:28,000
take some seizure medication.
So it's like I did notice that

805
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:33,320
sometimes if I took two doses of
kratom, I felt like there's a

806
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,440
feeling when you you're getting
ready to have a seizure, like

807
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,160
you could feel it coming.
I noticed it made me feel a

808
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,160
little off, just me personally,
but that's because I have a

809
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,040
seizure disorder.
It's my chronic seizure.

810
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,120
So it almost looks like I have
Tourette's.

811
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:52,040
It's really bizarre.
And it gets so bad at night.

812
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,400
So if I don't take a seizure
medication at night, I can't

813
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,320
sleep.
But I also can't sleep anyways

814
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,000
now that you're in menopause.
So it's like I'm trying

815
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,040
everything, you know, magnesium,
I'm doing everything, every

816
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,760
supplement you could take, I'm
trying.

817
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,880
And you know, I don't drink
alcohol.

818
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,880
So like really I'm kind of
boring now.

819
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,160
I just don't, I don't do much.
I mean, I take my cream tea,

820
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,080
that's about it, you know, but
it, it makes me, it makes me

821
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,760
happy.
I mean, I still, I've always had

822
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,160
the depression since my first
child and they put me on an

823
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,840
antidepressant and I've now down
to 5 milligrams of it.

824
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,840
I've been on it for 20 years.
I cannot get off of it.

825
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:40,520
I have tried, everybody's tried
to get me off of it slow, it

826
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,560
doesn't matter.
I've tried it and it's not even

827
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,480
helping my depression anymore.
So I'm like, let's just get off

828
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,240
of it.
But when I try, I get severe

829
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:54,080
Vertigo and nausea.
And I said, you know what, I'm

830
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,400
just, I'm not dealing with it.
I'm just going to take the 5

831
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,840
milligrams and then I take the
kratom and it helps with the

832
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,120
depression.
So it's like, you know, I'm just

833
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,160
and it unfortunately it doesn't
help with the, with the

834
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,720
withdrawals from
antidepressants.

835
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:11,480
Kratom does not there.
It didn't help with the Vertigo

836
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:17,000
and the and the nausea.
It just help us pain, you know,

837
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,120
But yeah, I mean, it's just,
it's just like I did take one of

838
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,280
my seizure meds out about a few
months ago.

839
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,560
So I've only had one now.
But it's just, you know, what

840
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,080
works for everybody.
And you're, you're a different

841
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,400
stage in your life.
You're like, OK, that's not

842
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,280
working anymore.
Let's ship this around.

843
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,880
And I mean, God bless the people
that don't have to do this.

844
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,000
Yeah, I mean, they're lucky I
have.

845
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,200
This pill container.
And I, you know, I've, I've had

846
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,600
it since I was in my young 20s
and my, my college friends are

847
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,560
like, Stacy, I have never seen
you without your pill container.

848
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,320
And I used to take offense at
it.

849
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,600
Now I'm like, I don't really
care.

850
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,000
You know, it's just what it's
just what it takes to keep this

851
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,440
going, right?
Exactly, exactly.

852
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,280
Your story is so interesting and
I'm so glad we're doing this

853
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,280
because I know there are people
listening right now.

854
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,360
They're getting so much value
out of this.

855
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,680
You're such a great storyteller.
I know I already said that, but

856
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:11,720
I'm gonna say it again because
you are.

857
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,640
You really paint the picture
really well for us.

858
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,520
Before we wind down, is there
anything that we haven't covered

859
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,560
yet you think people need to
hear about?

860
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,440
I mean, you're a great advocate.
I love that you've been like

861
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,960
educating people around you.
Is there anything else we

862
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,600
haven't covered yet that we want
to make sure is out there?

863
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,360
I just think.
Go, just do your research.

864
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,960
Make sure it's an approved
vendor.

865
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:41,920
Don't go to gas stations, don't
go to the head shops.

866
00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:46,880
Get start with the sample packs.
You know, for me, I measure it

867
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,240
out.
Some people might just want to

868
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:52,640
take a teaspoon.
Start slow, low, slow and low.

869
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,160
Low and slow.
Yeah, that's possible.

870
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,480
For to tell.
People, yeah.

871
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,280
Go.
I think it's always good to.

872
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,760
Take a stool softener.
Just pop it in there.

873
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,840
It can't hurt you.
Yeah, it won't hurt.

874
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:11,200
It won't hurt and you know.
What it it may combat something

875
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,840
that might change your mind
about it.

876
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,000
Maybe you're like, oh, I can't
deal with this and you'll stop

877
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,600
it.
And and I think with anything

878
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,160
you just need to be cautious.
You can't overdo it, right?

879
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,040
You can't take it like 20 times
a day.

880
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,200
You need to be cautious with
anything to take even a Tylenol.

881
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,200
And I think I do a lot of I'm a
big researcher, so I'm

882
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,440
constantly up on the laws.
And in Michigan, it's legal.

883
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,080
I'm always terrified that
something's going to happen.

884
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,680
And but then my husband's like,
just stop.

885
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,880
Just just stop thinking like
that.

886
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,760
I'm always just seeing what's
going on.

887
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,040
And because my family, I have
family all over, I do travel

888
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,400
sometimes from state to state
and I go over to Spain with it,

889
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,040
which is always very nerve
wracking for me.

890
00:49:55,040 --> 00:50:00,640
So just keeping up on the laws
statewide and worldwide I have

891
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:05,000
to do because I do travel.
So that's a little nerve

892
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,400
wracking, but I've done it a
lot.

893
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:13,480
I still get nervous, but just
being being careful with that

894
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,920
and just know that I mean, it's
just a plan.

895
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,440
It's just a, a plant in the
coffee family.

896
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,520
It's not an opioid.
It's not something that's going

897
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,560
to make you high.
It's something that if you have

898
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,800
pain, especially it's, it's
really going to be beneficial.

899
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,520
That's so well said that I love
that.

900
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,640
What a great way to end this
amazing conversation, Stacey,

901
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,440
because I mean, you wrapped it
up so well and you're giving

902
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,160
great advice for anybody that
wants to learn more about kratom

903
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,160
and get started.
And that's really you should

904
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:46,240
write a book because you're
good.

905
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,720
You really got a.
Lot going on OK I won't yeah,

906
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:52,040
I'd only.
Give you something else to do,

907
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,040
but but you would write you
would do it really well.

908
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,280
Well with the book.
This has been great.

909
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:57,920
Stacey.
Thank you for having me.

910
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,040
We appreciate.
This.

911
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,320
Yeah.
Thank you so much.