Ep 72: Addiction, Recovery, and Kratom: Tracey Slack’s Powerful Story

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The green was where it was at
for me.

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It helped help with the
withdrawal, helped with the just

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the bad mood that use always in
coming down off of the stuff.

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And the green is really what
opened my eyes to like wow, this

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really works.
And within a week of using it,

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it was like I didn't have the
cravings.

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It was like a light switch was
just poop off and I didn't think

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about it all day.
I didn't crave it all day.

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I didn't, it was it amazed the
hell out of me.

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So it was like because of so
long of being addicted to

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something, you're like, oh, this
is how my life's just going to

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be forever.
So kratom actually gave me gave

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me that hope back.
So I'm here with Tracy Slack, a

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very interesting lady I've met
online and she's got a really

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interesting story.
So Tracy, thank you so much for

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joining the Krame Stories
podcast.

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I'm really thrilled you're here
to Share your story with others

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because I, you know, one of the
reasons why I do this podcast, I

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feel like people can learn so
much from just hearing somebody

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else's story and feeling less
alone.

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And, and you have such an
interesting 1.

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So let's just start off with you
telling us a little bit about

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yourself and life before kratom.
I was before I found kratom, I

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was a 10 year heroin and meth
addict.

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But I was, I call it a table
junkie because you lay it on the

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table and if it was free I'd do
it.

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But I lived that way for a long
time and then I got in trouble.

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I had to go on probation, went
to jail and that was finally

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like enough was enough.
And I was watching Hamilton's

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pharmacopia on vice land and I
seen kratom.

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That was the the episode on
kratom and I was like, wow,

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that's, you know, someone being
addicted heroin.

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They really need something to,
you know, wean their self down

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off it because the withdrawals
they I wouldn't wish that on my

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worst enemy.
Even nowadays if I get too cold,

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it makes me irritable because it
just reminds me of the

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withdrawal part of it.
So I found kratom and the very

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next day I went to the local
smoke shop where they said it

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could be, you know, found and
the guy that was trying to sell

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it to me knew nothing about it
was like, I don't I don't know.

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That's just what we sell here.
And I'm like, OK, so I didn't, I

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didn't buy it that day because
he didn't know anything about

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it.
And I was trying to ask him more

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questions and he had no
recollection of it.

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So I did, you know, some Google
digging and found at the time,

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it was like one of the only
vendors on Facebook.

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So I joined a whole bunch of
Facebook kratom groups.

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This is back in like 2017, mind
you.

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So that was like very limited
information, very limited

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Facebook groups.
And I just started doing a whole

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bunch of those, did some digging
of my own, found a vendor.

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I was like, well, let's try it.
And I got a variety pack where

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it was like red, green and
white, you know, the standard

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variety pack.
And I, the red really didn't do

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much.
And I was like, well, that's

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kind of the red is all you would
hear about for heroin worth

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withdrawals and everything.
Everyone recommends the red.

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So I tried that and it didn't
work.

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So I'm like, man, is this even
going to work for me?

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Because I thought maybe the
heroin had my tolerance too high

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and I would have to like take so
much powder that I would have to

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gag on it or something, you
know, So and then I finally

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found the OR tried the green
within the next couple of days

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and it was the green was where
it was at for me.

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It helped help with the
withdrawal.

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It helped with the just the bad
mood that use always in coming

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down off of the stuff and the
green is really what opened my

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eyes to like, wow, this really
works.

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And within a week of using it,
it was like I didn't have the

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cravings.
It was like a light switch was

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just poop off and I didn't think
about it all day.

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I didn't crave it all day.
I didn't.

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It was, it amazed the hell out
of me.

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So it was like because of so
long of being addicted to

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something, you're like, oh, this
is how my life's just going to

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be forever.
So kratom actually gave me gave

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me that hope back.
That's some, that's amazing.

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That's that.
Yeah.

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It's so interesting that you
heard about this from Hamilton's

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Pharmacopia.
So, you know, you're just

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watching ATV show and it's very
similar to my story because I

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found out about kratom from
watching the documentary A Leap

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of Faith a couple years later,
you know, 2018.

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It's like really there's a plant
that's helping people.

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It was just so hard to believe,
but it also felt believable.

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Like it's like, OK, I got to go
try to buy some and try this.

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So it's interesting how how you
went down that road.

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Yeah, it was.
It was a journey, definitely,

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because you have to.
Back then there wasn't no

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information on it or anything
like that.

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So you had to.
And God forbid you Googled it,

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you Google it, supposedly you're
going to die and overdose and

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all this crap.
And I'm like, so finally after

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joining the Facebook groups, I
talked to people that have been

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taking it for years on end.
They were more than generous

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with their information.
And so it was like going from

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addiction to open armed kratom
community.

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I was like, I was just floored.
I was like, wow, there's

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actually good people still and
want to help, you know?

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So it was really cool.
Yeah, there were some amazing

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stories I saw in Facebook
groups.

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You know, same with you.
Like I, I did a bunch of

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research, I joined some Facebook
groups and you know, the one

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Facebook group I found the most
information was 1 geared for

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people using kratom for
addiction.

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And even though I'm coming from
chronic pain, I, I felt like,

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wow, this is, even though it's a
very different world compared

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to, you know, what I go through
the, the just sharing, freely

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sharing information about how to
start kratom, just how, how this

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helps them.
But, but through this group, I

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saw people posting before and
after period photos from like

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when they were, you know, on
heroin and, and how they looked.

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And then here's how they're
doing now with kratom.

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It was mind blowing.
And I really feel like people in

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the chronic pain community that
discover kratom really should go

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to a group like that so they
could learn more about addiction

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because it's so easy for people
in the chronic pain community to

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to say, oh, the the war on
drugs, you know, is spilled over

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to us.
We can't get our opiates now for

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our pain because of all the
addiction issues that go on.

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And by me being in this one
Facebook group, it just changed

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my whole perception of like the
struggles people go through

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because they desperately want to
get off of drugs.

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And so many people say, I don't
want to be on this.

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I I just want to use Wow.
And half of the people kind of

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like how your story is, they
thought the doctor was given

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that to him.
So they thought it was, you

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know, safe.
And that was fine.

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And it was FDA tested and all
that stuff, you know, And it's

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like they rode a slippery slope.
And then they found themself an

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addiction like, oh man, now my
pain, doctors cutting me off and

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where do I do now, you know?
Yeah, and it's just.

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That's the main part that
floored me about the whole thing

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back then.
Yeah, I know they weren't giving

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them out prescriptions so freely
and not checking people.

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And I mean, you can definitely
see how the whole opioid crisis

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played out.
And it just was a lot of greed

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and money involved, sadly.
But thank God there's a plant

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that is helping so many people.
So when you discover kratom,

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that was like the year after the
DEA tried to get it scheduled.

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That was the year that the DEA
was trying to get it scheduled.

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That was the year that I found
it.

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Like it was like I found it
earlier on in the year.

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And then halfway through the
year I was hearing that the FDA

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was going to banned it.
And I was like, the one thing I

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found that was going to help me,
that I knew could help me and

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gave me hope our government's
going to take it away like that.

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The very first band that
happened, it set panic through

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the whole kratom community.
And we were signing petitions.

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We was contacted like pretty
much like we do now.

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We just have our voice heard.
And yeah, that part, that part

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of the whole journey was a
little rocky because I was like,

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man, like, what?
What am I going to do?

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So every time the bands come
around, I'm like, man, I feel

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for a lot of the people that,
you know, that it's their first

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band.
Going through their first band,

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they're like, Oh my God, I'm
what am I going to do?

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I'm like, I totally understand.
I felt that way.

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I really appreciate all the
people speaking out back when,

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you know, they were trying to
propose that because Schedule 1

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means not only is it taken off
the market, you can be

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criminalized, but they can't do
any research on it and that

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would definitely be a problem.
So wow.

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Well, I'm just, I, I advocate so
hard because I'm still blown

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away every day that I use a
plant to help with my chronic

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pain.
And so many people use it to

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curb their addictions or that it
helps their depression or

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anxiety.
It's an amazing plant.

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Have you found that in addition
to helping you with your

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sobriety that it helps with
other things?

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It does.
I am like the drinking thing,

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like how people use it to get
off drinking.

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I never expected it to help me
because I wasn't a big drinker

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anyways.
I would have one socially here

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and there, but nowadays I don't
even feel like having one

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socially because I'm like, oh,
it's just not appealing to me

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anymore.
So that was the one that really

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surprised me was that it even
helped with drinking too.

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And that's not even why I
started taking kratom.

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So many people have said the
same exact thing, Tracy.

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I've, I've interviewed so many
people for this podcast and

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countless Times Now people have
said that it's almost like this

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extra benefit they got, they
weren't expecting that it would

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curb their drinking.
I had one lady I'd interviewed

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last year, and she was like,
yeah, you know, using it in her

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sobriety.
Kramer's been amazing.

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And then she says, you know
what?

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I realized I've had a six pack
of beer sit in my fridge for

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months.
Normally it'd be gone in a few

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days, but it's still there and I
have no desire to drink it.

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It's like she came to this
realization.

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We're talking like, wow, I don't
even crave that anymore.

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So as a matter of fact, she
goes, I'm poured out.

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It's just interesting how this
plant can do so many other

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things.
It really is.

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It's amazing because it helps in
all aspects of it.

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As long as you, because I feel
like if you're an addict, you

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have those attic tendencies to
abuse, even working out, you

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know, you just have that
addictive personality.

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So I feel like as long as you
keep your kratom tolerance and

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your kratom use in check, it's
it's kind of like a cure all in

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my own opinion.
Yeah, it, it really is.

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And so you're, you're a mom.
You know, I imagine kratom has

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been amazing just to give you
that ability to just have your

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life back.
It it really has.

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And then because when I first
found Kratom, I wasn't a mom.

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So then after I had my son back
in 20, 21, yeah, 2123, yeah,

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back in 21, he I had to get AI
got a epidural and but I also

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had to get AC section because
his cord was wrapped around his

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throat a couple times.
But they sent me home with I

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think it was Percocet and I got
home and took my kratom instead

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because when I I broke my arm in
a car crash before that and it

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helped me with the pain way more
than the Dilaudid that they gave

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me did.
So I got home and the epidural I

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still have issues with my back
because they left left the tube

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in my back all night long.
Like the morning nurses came in

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and took it out of my back.
And the morning nurses even

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freaked out was like, Oh my God,
why is that still in your back?

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Like I don't know, but get it
out.

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Wow.
But I even today, I'll wake up

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real stiff, I'll have my morning
dose and within minutes I'm able

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to get down on the floor and
play with junior or I'll be able

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to go outside and run behind
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And like it gives me the energy
because I also have a under

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active thyroid.
So it helps me give the energies

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because I'm usually just
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But just having kratom, it helps
with multiple things in my daily

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life.
Yeah, that's that's great.

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Do you talk to people about
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your story?
Like specially people you know

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that you know go through
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Yes, I do.
I've when I very first found

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kratom, I was posting it all
over my own Facebook page.

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I had numerous like people that
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They would offer to buy it from
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I'm like, dude, here, try it.
Let me know how it works for

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you.
Some people would, you know,

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they're like, oh, they only
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I don't want to work and find my
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It's just junk.
I'm like whatever, but if you

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need it, come back.
I don't try to force it on him

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but I at least let him know like
hey here try this because I

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could really work.
Yeah, that's great.

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I feel like so many people just
are not aware of that.

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Botanicals like this can be life
changing.

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They're really not.
I only have one other friend and

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she she got mixed in with that
seven O stuff and she came to me

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and she's like, what is this?
I said, girl, that's that's been

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proven to like be not good for
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It's like the gas station heroin
they call it.

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I'm like here.
I gave her a whole bunch of just

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regular powdered kratom and she
weaned herself off of the seven

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O with the Kratom and I was
like, girl, do not, do not ever

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touch that stuff again.
It's like it's been cooked up in

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a lab.
It's got chemicals in it and I'm

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just not down with seven OI feel
like I came off of the real

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hardcore shit with the kratom.
Like the recovery part, that's

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what kratom helped with.
And then the seven O, it's given

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the kratom a really bad image.
It really it really has.

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It's crazy.
It's gotten to the point it has

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now.
I mean, thank goodness the FDA

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is stepping in and you know want
to get some regulation in place,

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schedule it.
You know, we don't we don't know

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exactly where this is going to
go, but they are recommending

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the DEA schedule the seven O
products it yeah, this like came

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out of nowhere like a few years
ago and we really.

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Nowhere over overnight.
Yeah, like, like we're finding

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that it came out like a couple
years ago, but the real impact

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has been this year.
It seems like this year in 2025,

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it's gotten everywhere.
It seems like every smoke shop

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has it got gas stations that
have it is so easily accessible

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and it's.
There's so many smoke shops

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around here that have it, like
I'll go in there because I'm, I

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also, I have a, my green card
because it also helps me in

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other ways as well.
But I went in to get a pack of

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papers and they're like, here,
you want those free sample.

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And I'm like, because I knew
about it and there was some

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other person being like, Oh
yeah, what is it?

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And I've, I've pretty much was
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You don't want this.
This is going to have you on a

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path to probably trying to rob
this place for all of the seven

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O in here.
I was like, if you don't, if you

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haven't done Kratom, you haven't
started kratom.

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Don't start that before you try
the real kratom.

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But I pray I let that customer
know and I let that store clerk

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know.
Good for you.

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Well yeah, they're giving up
free samples.

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It's like that.
I think that's been the biggest

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problem in this whole thing with
seven O 8 that the then it's

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like they're legal drug dealers
at the moment.

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Like they know what they're
doing.

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It's like, let's give a free
sample because they're going to

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get hooked on it.
I I've had countless people tell

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me about that, like it all
started with the free sample of

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the smoke shop.
The yeah, the free sample.

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And to be honest, I feel like
I'm a, you know, my, my

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conspiracy theory is I feel like
the government is behind the

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seven O and because, you know,
that the opioid epidemic's over.

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So what else could they get some
people addicted to that could,

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you know, be population control
or something along those lines?

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Because I'm just a firm believer
that I just don't trust the

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government.
They do not have our best

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intentions in mind and.
That's been proven time and time

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again, that's for sure.
Couple, couple questions ago in

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it with all of this, But first
for those that don't know, what

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was the green card?
The green card is a medical

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marijuana card.
OK.

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I figured in the state of Ohio,
yeah, in the state of Ohio it is

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recreational.
But also just because of like my

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given past and stuff, I like to
keep that card because that way

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I'm fully legal and they can't
come for my kid like that.

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So I make sure I keep that green
card so I'm fully legal.

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That's smart.
I love that.

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Thanks for for explaining that.
And back to seven O 8, no.

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Problem.
Anybody that's watching or

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listening to this right now and
they're not even, I mean, I'm

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sure by now everybody's heard of
seven O 8, but I'm constantly

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having to put out videos
explaining the difference

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between kratom powder, the leaf
versus the seven O 8.

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And there's a lot of confusion
among kratom consumers of whole

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leaf because they'll see their
package say 7 OH, but now

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they're hearing about all these
seven OH products And what I the

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way I explained it to people, as
I say, look, you're the plant

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has all these alkaloids.
And the way the seven O happens

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is in the drying process,
because I have to remind people

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this is a leaf that came off a
tree.

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It's got to dry before it gets
to you.

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Yeah, although people over in
Southeast Asia, many times, the

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natural way is they chew the
leaf.

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But we don't do that here.
Apparently.

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We have to have things different
and as strong as possible.

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So the leaf has to dry in the
drying process.

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It it, there's a metabolite that
comes out of that, which is the

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seven OH, And it's normal for it
to be in a tiny, tiny amount.

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If you look at your packaging,
it'll usually say something like

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0.004% or 001 percent.
It's tiny, tiny amount.

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But what some of these companies
have done is they figured out

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how to synthesize it by taking a
kratom extract, which is strong,

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adding chemicals to it and
making that seven OH, turn into

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basically an opioid.
And it's, you know, I'm

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constantly having to educate
people to understand there's a

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difference between this.
How do you explain to people

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about so are you having people
say to you like but isn't kratom

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isn't 7 OH kratom?
Yes, I've had my husband's

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friend, he calls him his
brother, but he's just messaged

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me the other day and was like,
what is 7 O?

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So I had to like tell him that
is an alkaloid found in Kratom,

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but at very, very small amounts
when naturally produced.

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I said the seven O is them
taking that seven OH alkaloid

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out of the regular Kratom and
putting it on steroids.

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I said that's when you get into
dangerous territory because he

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was like, Oh, you better be
careful.

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I've had numerous people in in
my town.

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Oh, I know you take Kratom.
You better be careful.

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And I'm like, did I've been
taking it for?

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Years now and I'm like, it's the
seven O and I've even have I

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have Jordan's TikTok saves save
where he's kind of like breaks

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it down in layman's terms.
So I'm like I'll play that for

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him.
Be like just listen to this.

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I do the same thing.
I get a lot of people on TikTok

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asking me for help because they
see me explaining it and then

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they'll tell me.
They'll private message me, tell

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me their story about how they
got hooked on it.

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And I send them just a bunch of
different links to videos like

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Jordan from New Hope Botanicals
and others who talk about how to

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wean off of that and just use
leaf powder or or not use

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anything else at all.
I'm so grateful for the people

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that are sharing their stories
to help us because from what I'm

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seeing, it sounds like it's
really hard to get off of.

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Very, very similar to getting
off of.

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My my friend said that it
because me and me and my friend,

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we used to use heroin together
and then she went her separate

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way and found sobriety.
And I've I went my separate way

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and then after we both got
clean, we kind of met back up

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more like, hey, we reintroduced
ourselves, you know, as the

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sober Tracy.
And I'm not going to put her

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name out there, but I'm just
saying my friend.

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And it was like night and day.
That was just amazing.

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Yeah, that's great.
So are you, Do you still consume

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kratom every day?
Is that still like a part of

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your daily routine?
Yes, it is a part of my daily

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routine.
I don't always take the same

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dose.
That's kind of like how I try to

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keep my tolerance in check
because I'm, I discovered

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throughout the years, if I take
2, two teaspoons four to five

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times a day, then I'll need even
more like a week later.

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So I, my very first dose, I'll
take 2 teaspoons for the day.

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And my next dose, it's kind of
like a maintenance dose.

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So I only take a teaspoon
because I'll need more energy

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through the day because I it
more is less or sorry, less is

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more.
But yeah, I found a teaspoon is

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really good for that energy.
And then the 2 teaspoons is more

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of like a pain management type
thing.

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So like in the morning my back
hurts a little bit more.

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So I'll take two throughout the
day.

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When I'm not as sore stuff, I'll
take a maintenance dose and I'll

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take one teaspoon and then I'll
give me the energy to run behind

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Junior and do whatever he's
doing.

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Yeah, it's great how you get the
nice energy boost with kratom.

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Do you do you ever run into
tolerance issues with kratom

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powder?
Sometimes I've ran into issues

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where like it won't work as well
if I've been taking it

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consistently.
So then I know I'll have to like

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take it or you know, I'll have
to skip a dose or two or I've

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never done a full couple day
reset just because of how bad

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my, my lower back hurts.
But I do seem to take less.

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If I notice, hey, I'm not
getting the same effects that

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I've been wanting and needing,
I'll take a couple days less of

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stuff.
And then I've also found that

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black seed oil, the black seed
oil, it actually does amazing

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stuff for my tolerance.
I'll take it once a day and as

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long as I keep taking the black
seed oil once a day, I don't

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have to do like a dose increase
or I won't have to take more

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this time or less this time.
As long as I'm pretty stable on

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the black seed oil.
My tolerance is pretty pretty

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good in chat.
That's so interesting.

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So, you know, we call those like
potentiators.

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I remember the first time I saw
that one of these Facebook

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groups early on, people are
talking about potentiators,

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orange juice, lemon juice and,
you know, black seed oil and

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different things.
I'm like, potentiator, What's

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that?
I remember, I remember Googling

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it.
I'm like, oh, just to make it

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stronger, which makes sense
because then you could take less

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of the powder, you know, or to
enhance the powder so it works

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better.
And it I find, you know, this

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plant is so interesting.
Kratom to me is so interesting

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because it affects everybody
differently, you know, as far as

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dose, color, the whole thing,
but also with potentiators,

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because I started like just
jotting down every potentiator

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people talked about.
And I, I got to the point where

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I pretty much in my 6 years
being a cream consumer, I've

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experimented with pretty much
everything that people talk

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about.
And I tried the black seed oil.

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It didn't, it didn't do anything
for me.

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I was.
It didn't do anything.

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For you and I know I know an
interesting one.

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Some people swear by his pickle
juice and I'm like, oh, that

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sounds interesting.
Let me try that didn't didn't

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work.
See, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be

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00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,920
able to do the pickle juice.
I like Pickles but I don't I

442
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,040
feel like the juice.
Is too much.

443
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,680
I feel the same way but you
know, I was always so eager to

444
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,080
try these different things
people talked about and just

445
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,520
sounded interesting and I'm
going to do it more than once.

446
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,600
I'm not just a once and done and
I I was like well, sure be

447
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,160
interesting a pickle juice word,
but I every time I tried it just

448
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,960
nothing and turmeric.
I know a lot of people swear by

449
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,480
turmeric as as a potentiator for
kratom.

450
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,160
Didn't do anything for me but
for me is orange juice.

451
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,640
Orange juice is the best 1 for
me.

452
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,320
Yeah, see, I hear a lot of
people talk about how they like

453
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,360
the orange juice, but it's just
every time I add the kratom to

454
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,520
the orange juice, it tastes like
the orange peel.

455
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,560
It's way too like weird and
bitter tasted for me.

456
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,320
I can't do it.
Yeah, I do.

457
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,560
So do you do the?
Regular the regular powder

458
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,080
kratom.
I do toss and wash, but I do my

459
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,800
toss and wash a little bit
different.

460
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,640
Yeah, I do my toss and wash a
little bit different just

461
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,640
because I guess I'm weird.
And I'm one of the ones that

462
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,920
like the taste of kratom.
So I'll put my powder in first

463
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,000
sometimes and hold it there.
So like this bit makes it wet so

464
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,760
it doesn't choke me.
And then I'll and then I'll put

465
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,560
some water in and swish it
around and swallow it.

466
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,440
And then I've gotten a lot of
like people looking at me all

467
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,600
weird, especially locally.
They're like, what are you

468
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,360
doing?
And like, well, I like the taste

469
00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,200
of it.
I know not everybody likes the

470
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,600
earthiness bitterness of it, but
I guess I'm just one of the

471
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,560
weird ones.
There is a small percentage of

472
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,480
people that say they like the
taste.

473
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,840
Jordans mom Jordan from New
Hope, his mom, he's made, he's

474
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,640
made videos of her saying Yum
and she just does it dry and she

475
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,520
says she loves the taste.
It's so funny.

476
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,240
She's the one.
She's the one that I seen that

477
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,680
video and I was like, well, I
like the taste, so I'm gonna try

478
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,920
that next time.
And it was like, yeah, I see why

479
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,880
she does it now that.
Is so interesting.

480
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,880
I remember the very first time I
tried the powder I started with

481
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,640
capsules but capsule because
everybody said how bad the

482
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,560
powder tasted so I was being a
wuss.

483
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,000
I'm like, well, let's do
capsules then.

484
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,320
But the thing we, you don't
realize when you're new to

485
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,200
botanicals is it's just the,
it's just the powder, it's the

486
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,520
ground up leaf, which is not,
it's not like, oh, you only need

487
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,680
one or two capsules, like a
pharmaceutical that's, you know,

488
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,520
enhanced or concentrated.
This is actually the leaf

489
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,280
material.
So you'll most likely need more

490
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,680
than a few, which means you're
getting all these capsule shells

491
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,920
ingested, which for many us,
many of us, it just makes us

492
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,240
bloated and nauseous.
And I don't think they always

493
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,280
open up all the way.
So you're not really getting all

494
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,320
the powder.
So I've always had bad

495
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,680
experiences with capsules.
So I'm like, all right, I'm

496
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,960
going to have to just suck it up
and try this nasty powder

497
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,320
everybody talks about.
And it, for me it was night and

498
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,040
day.
It worked way better by just,

499
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:51,680
but I toss and wash.
I, I remember watching videos,

500
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,320
I'm like, Oh, I don't think I
can do that.

501
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,640
So I just do the swamp water,
which I was like, OK, that means

502
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,880
I have to drink it.
So that probably won't be easy

503
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,400
to do.
And the first time I drink and

504
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,280
I'm like, I, I really thought I
was going to puke.

505
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,600
I'm like, wow, this is really
hard to drink.

506
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,960
This better work because I don't
want to keep drinking this if it

507
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,880
doesn't work.
And once I figured out the dose

508
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,960
and for me, for me, the green
works best.

509
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,480
But once I figured it all out,
I'm like, OK, I will keep

510
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,880
drinking this as gross as it is
for me, because I'm getting

511
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,160
amazing pain relief, like better
than the the pharmaceuticals.

512
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,880
And that to me was incredible.
And and that was what I decided

513
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,920
to become a big advocate.
Yeah, that's how it was for me

514
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,440
when I broke my arm and I found
out that kratom worked 10 times

515
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:40,600
better than the pharmaceuticals.
I actually had my mom go back

516
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,360
home and get because I was in
the hospital with the broke arm.

517
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,160
I had my mom go back to our
house.

518
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,080
I was like, go get me some red
and green Kratom and bring it

519
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,560
back here because their pain
meds are not doing anything.

520
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,360
And like, you should have seen
my mom, she shut.

521
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,480
I think she thought she was like
smuggling and drugs or something

522
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,120
because she's like, here, take
this.

523
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,880
I'm like, it's legal mom, you're
not going to get in trouble.

524
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,600
But I I took my kratom and it
was like night and day

525
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,400
difference.
Those pharmaceuticals didn't

526
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,840
touch it.
That that's how I felt with,

527
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,280
with my kratom, you know, very
early on.

528
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,880
I'm like, why aren't more people
talking about this like this?

529
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,880
Maybe not everybody gets the
same experience as I do, but

530
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,040
even if somebody got a little
bit of my experience to have

531
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,680
something match or be better
than the pharmaceuticals and you

532
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,680
know, in pain management, you're
usually not taking one

533
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,720
pharmaceutical.
You're taking a lot of different

534
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,760
pharmaceuticals and in and then
you develop other issues that

535
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,840
they give you a whole nother
pharmaceutical to add to what

536
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,880
you're already taking.
And I was able to stop

537
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,600
Oxycontin, Percocet, gabapentin,
muscle relaxers.

538
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,240
I was able to remove all of that
from my day-to-day life with

539
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,960
just a plan.
So I knew I had to be an

540
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,240
advocate and talk about this out
loud to people because it's

541
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,240
like, how did I not know this
existed?

542
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,840
Right.
Yep, that's exactly my reaction

543
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,680
when I found it back in 2017, I
think it was.

544
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,600
But here's the thing, another
kratom story about how amazing

545
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:17,640
that the kratom community can
actually pull together and be to

546
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,680
2017.
I got, I got clean and I had

547
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,720
like a year clean.
So back in 2018, they indicted

548
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,120
me for some felony drug
possession charges.

549
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:35,200
Well, they came and I did 30,
yeah, 30 days in the county

550
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,680
jail.
The vendor that I was working

551
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:44,240
for at the time made a jail
Jailbird blend and advertised it

552
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,720
for everyone and every,
everybody bought it.

553
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,840
All of the proceeds went to my
bail and I had some leftover.

554
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,520
I was able to put on a lawyer
and I got bailed out.

555
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,000
He bailed me out.
He sent my mom the money.

556
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,800
I was able to.
I had at least a stack of

557
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,200
everybody right in the judge on
a character witness for me and

558
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,200
how I've changed and how the how
I've helped them through the

559
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,400
recovery groups.
And it was just when I was going

560
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,920
through it, it was really,
really heart touching because I

561
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,440
didn't think, you know, they're
just people on the Internet and

562
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,880
you know, people that you goof
off with and here and there, you

563
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,320
know, but they really like they
really pulled together and they

564
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,440
helped me get it in lieu of
conviction.

565
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,760
Mind you, that is where they if
I completed my probation and all

566
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,160
the things successfully, I
wouldn't get charged with the

567
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,840
felony.
That's what an in lieu of

568
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,280
conviction is.
Well, later on, I didn't know

569
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,440
that the rehab place that I was
sentenced to go to started

570
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,400
testing for kratom as well.
I failed that drug test for

571
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,320
Kratom and I got taken back to
court and I got that in lieu of

572
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,200
conviction taken away because of
the Kratom.

573
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,240
I was amazed at that and you
should have seen me in that

574
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,320
courtroom.
I was trying to fight tooth and

575
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,920
nail and that Judge did not like
me, that he did not like my

576
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,000
stance on kratom, but I tried to
at least get my voice heard.

577
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,600
Wow, yeah, that is quite a
story.

578
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,600
So.
So how did it play out?

579
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,640
It played out.
I still got charged with the

580
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,960
felony, so I still have that on
my record.

581
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,760
But by the end of it, the
probation office officer that I

582
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,840
was on probation with, she I
still talk to her through e-mail

583
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,280
through this day.
And she just, she uses me as a

584
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,080
success story for all of her
probationers now.

585
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,640
And I've I've let her know like,
look, her name's Gabby.

586
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,040
I said, look, Gabby, I'm I'm
still taking kratom.

587
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,880
She said, but yeah, but I see
that you're not back out on the

588
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,080
streets.
I don't see you have scars all

589
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,240
over your arm.
She's like, I can tell that it

590
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,280
hasn't hasn't hindered you in a
negative way.

591
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,240
So it was kind of cool to hear a
probation officer say that.

592
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:03,760
That's amazing.
What a story.

593
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:09,200
Tracy, Congrats to you on all
the great things that you've

594
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,080
gotten from from using this plan
except for that part with the

595
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,200
felony.
I mean, I can't believe.

596
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,720
They did that, but you've.
Shown them that like you've

597
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,000
shown them that this plan
changes lives.

598
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,000
Right.
And at least as long as the one

599
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,600
probation officer realizes it, I
know she's going to tell her

600
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:34,320
colleagues about it, you know,
So it kind of, at least I was

601
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,800
that one that they tried to make
an example out of that, made an

602
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,480
example out of herself and
proved to him, you know, so I

603
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,360
thought that was pretty.
Kick ass that was that.

604
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,520
That's cool.
And back to talk about how

605
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,440
amazing the kratom community is.
It it awesome story, you know,

606
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,280
people coming together to help
you when you were in that

607
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,520
situation.
And you know, we had kind of the

608
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,320
same thing with Shana Brown that
happened a few years ago where,

609
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,280
you know, she buys kratom
legally in Florida, crosses an

610
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,159
imaginary state line into
Alabama.

611
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,000
They pull her over, they see
kratom in her car and they throw

612
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,800
her in jail and she spent a good
eight or nine months in jail.

613
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,040
They started her bail at
$1,000,000 for having.

614
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,080
Yeah, and that's ridiculous.
That's ridiculous.

615
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,040
I could see if she was like a
known drug dealer or something

616
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,560
like that, but come on with some
freaking kratom.

617
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,400
That's ridiculous.
Right, right.

618
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,080
And it was helping her clean up
her life and get herself

619
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,320
together.
And what's wild is similar to

620
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,159
your story, advocates in the
community heard about her

621
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:46,760
situation and started spreading
information awareness on social

622
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,880
media.
We all jumped on it and start.

623
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,000
We talked about it constantly.
We had hashtags on social media

624
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,920
talking about it.
And when a GoFundMe was started,

625
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,920
we raised all this money.
It was hard in the beginning

626
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,760
because we're like, how are we
going to raise enough to get her

627
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,680
out of jail with $1,000,000
bond?

628
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,400
But they slowly, they slowly
reduced the bond.

629
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,960
It went from like a million to
like I think 250,000 finally got

630
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,720
down to 75,000.
I mean, took a long time, but we

631
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,640
raised collectively in the
community, raised money and got

632
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,800
her an attorney and got her out
of jail.

633
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,400
But it's been 2 years since the
whole thing happened.

634
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,320
It's still hanging over her.
It's not done.

635
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,520
They just haven't done anything
else with her case.

636
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,120
Oh, that's ridiculous that it's
still even hanging over her

637
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,640
head.
Yeah, because, you know, it's a

638
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,920
felony charge.
And she still faces, I think it

639
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,960
was 10 to life, was it, or 10
year?

640
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,880
I don't remember what the exact,
but yeah.

641
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,080
But but it's amazing how our
community came together.

642
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,440
She had no idea while she was in
jail that we're all trying to

643
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,840
help her and raise money to do
this.

644
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,960
So she was quite surprised when
all of this happened.

645
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,600
And she's like, Oh my God,
people heard about me and they

646
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,200
want to help me.
And it just shows how

647
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,960
compassionate our community is.
That's exactly it.

648
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,760
When the when the kratom
community really wants to pull

649
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,200
it pull together and quit being
divided, we can we can really do

650
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,040
some amazing things.
Absolutely.

651
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,200
I love it.
You know, I'm loving this

652
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,280
conversation.
I mean, we're covering so many

653
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,560
different topics.
Is is there anything we haven't

654
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,280
talked about yet that you want
to make sure we cover in this

655
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,920
discussion?
I'm kind of doing this one on

656
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,760
the fly.
So I'm I'm kind of just going

657
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,040
with the flow at this one
that's.

658
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:33,960
What makes the conversation
great?

659
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,400
Well, let me ask you, I mean,
we're not talking about like,

660
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:42,560
you know, Kram company you work
for, but do you do you talk to a

661
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,520
lot of just fellow Kratom
consumers and sharing

662
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,400
information or like are you
involved like in just talking to

663
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,320
people?
Yeah, I'll talk to a different

664
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,880
few.
It's I call them the Ogs, The

665
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,960
one that I met like when I very
first started the Facebook

666
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:03,120
groups, I'll talk to like people
like that, like Stephanie Sue,

667
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,560
love her to death.
I'll talk to her on almost a

668
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,640
daily basis.
Amanda Rainer, she's pretty,

669
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,440
pretty down to earth.
I like her.

670
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,880
Jen, Jen and Dylan, you got to
love them.

671
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:20,640
They do a lot lot to help fight
for the right of kratom.

672
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,040
They sure do that.
All the people you're listing

673
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,880
are like super kratom advocates
and very passionate about what

674
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,160
they do.
Yeah, yeah, that's that's great.

675
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:36,200
Yeah, I know them all.
And yeah, it's it's it's great

676
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,160
connecting with people like
ourselves that are as passionate

677
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,760
as we are and just trying to
help people with understanding

678
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,480
what kratom is and how we can be
life changing for them.

679
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,320
Are you still in any of these
Facebook groups that that you

680
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,640
started with?
Are you still?

681
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,080
I know some of them have gone
away.

682
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,880
You know Facebook.
A lot of, yeah, a lot of them

683
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,200
has been taken away, but they're
still still a few of them.

684
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,440
I would say at least 2 that's
still from back in the day.

685
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,760
But they rarely get posted.
And I feel like all of the new

686
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,760
ones, kind of that's where all
the all the stuff is now.

687
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,200
All the new ones, all the ones
that I joined back in the day,

688
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,200
was like one of them was
botanical bitches.

689
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,200
I don't think that one's up and
running no more.

690
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,800
There's a few of them.
I can't remember the name right

691
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,440
now, but.
Yeah, the big one that I was in

692
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,320
when I started in 2019, I know
they had to change the name a

693
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,240
few times.
It's still there, but you people

694
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:38,920
don't really post anymore.
But when I first joined it, so

695
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,040
much activity, so many posts.
I think it was a period where

696
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,200
where you could talk about
kratom more freely on Facebook.

697
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,680
I know it's like this up and
down thing where you can talk

698
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,720
about it, then you can't say the
word anymore.

699
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:52,440
You got to say T or something
else.

700
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:56,360
Then Facebook starts censoring
and deleting accounts and then

701
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,040
they go back to let people do it
again.

702
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,240
It's crazy.
And that's actually one of the

703
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:04,120
reasons why I started my own
private online community, which

704
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,240
anybody can come join.
You're free to join anybody in

705
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:09,680
our community.
Kratom realtalk.com because of

706
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,840
all the censorship that we face,
it can be tough at times.

707
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,560
You know, TikTok is always
censoring our content.

708
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,080
I'm I'm on their watch list
right now.

709
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,680
They they keep giving me strikes
and deleting my videos.

710
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,040
I'm worried they're going to
delete my account and it won't

711
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,600
be the first time they've done
it before.

712
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,200
But a couple years ago, what I
decided to do is I'm still on

713
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,480
social media and I still
advocate there, but I thought,

714
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,800
let me start a separate place
that I get to have the control.

715
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,400
So it's not a social media
platform, it's a play.

716
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,840
It's a community I can build.
I pay for it to have access so

717
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,000
that I can control it.
But it's free for I have it.

718
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,560
So it's free for anybody wants
to join.

719
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,160
So Kratom realtalk.com.
So anybody listening is

720
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,680
interested.
It's nice to have a place we can

721
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,720
go to talk about kratom and not
worry about getting in trouble.

722
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,040
Where we don't have to watch our
language like it's a cuss word

723
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,680
or something, which that always
kills me because like, whatever

724
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,240
happened to free speech?
Exactly.

725
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,240
That's the part that always
stirs me for the loop.

726
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:12,160
I'm like, what happened to free
speech?

727
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,760
We're allowed to say what we're
allowed to say.

728
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,720
I didn't threaten anybody, you
know?

729
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,840
Yeah, because on TikTok whenever
I get in trouble, this like

730
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,120
you're doing drug talk.
I'm thinking what how's this

731
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,280
drug talk?
You know, it's it's not illegal.

732
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,480
I'm sharing my personal
experience.

733
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,120
I'm not showing it or telling
people how to use it.

734
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,200
I'm not acting like I'm a
medical professional.

735
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,960
I'm just sharing my personal
experience.

736
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,840
Well, and then you're allowed to
talk about Starbucks, aren't

737
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,080
you?
You're allowed to say coffee.

738
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,760
That's like the same thing.
That's, that's kind of how I

739
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,760
like when people ask me about
it, That's exactly how I explain

740
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,360
it.
I'm like, instead of having your

741
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,760
morning cup of coffee, you'll
have a morning cup of Kratom tea

742
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,680
and you'll get your energy from
that.

743
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,760
It's usually less jitters, more
focus.

744
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,520
So that's kind of, that's how I
explained it to my mom when she

745
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,560
first found out I was taking it.
What's your mom think of it when

746
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:09,640
you first talked to her about
it?

747
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,960
When I first talked to her about
it, I mean, I understand where

748
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,760
she was coming from because I
was still coming off the heroin

749
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,280
and all the bad crap and I put
her through the loop.

750
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,520
So I mean, I can understand
where she was a little bit taken

751
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,560
back by it at first.
But the first year of me taking

752
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,760
it and how she's seen, I didn't
go back out to the streets.

753
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,440
I wasn't putting a needle in my
arm.

754
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,120
I wasn't hanging out with shady
characters, you know, the more I

755
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,640
stayed home while I was taking
it and like helping her with the

756
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,400
garden or helping mow grass or
helping her go to the grocery

757
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,560
store or something like that,
she kind of like it opened her

758
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,240
eyes over time.
Like wow, OK, this isn't

759
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:49,840
something that I need to worry
about.

760
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,880
That is awesome that that's so
great.

761
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,160
And I, I think a lot of people
have stories like that too,

762
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,320
where where their loved ones can
see how it's helping them

763
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,000
compared to when they were
using.

764
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:10,200
Yep, Yep.
And David, my I'm just going to

765
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,080
call my baby's dad, but he I
technically we're not married,

766
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:17,720
but I call my husband.
But he he's even seen because he

767
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:21,320
used, we've known each other for
I would say 20 years now, back

768
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,440
in our younger days.
He's seen me before the

769
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,240
addiction.
He's seen me while I was

770
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:30,000
addicted and then he's seen me
after the addiction, how I found

771
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,760
kratom and stuff.
And he's like Tracy.

772
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,160
That's night and day.
He said I'll always go to bat

773
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,520
for kratom.
He said not the seven O that you

774
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,040
tell me not to go to bat for.
He's like, but the regular

775
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,880
kratom, I will go to bat for
that.

776
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,920
I said good.
Every petition I send you, you

777
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,760
better sign it.
That's great.

778
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,600
I think we need to start getting
stories from loved ones sharing,

779
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,240
like what they've seen, you
know?

780
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:56,920
Yes, I would love to hear some
of the other people that don't

781
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,480
take it.
I would love to hear their

782
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,120
opinion on it, how it's helped
their loved one.

783
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,200
I think I need to do an episode
like that, maybe get a hit a

784
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,360
couple of people to come share
as the loved one who does not

785
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,640
consume kratom but have seen the
before, during and after.

786
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,080
Yeah, I think that would be real
cool.

787
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,680
Yeah, that would, that would be
interesting.

788
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,240
I'll get back to you on that
because I would love to see, you

789
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,600
know, hear that kind of
information.

790
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,200
I think a lot of people would
love to hear stories like that

791
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,440
for sure.
Before I forget about it, I

792
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,360
even.
That's how much Kratoms helped

793
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,440
me.
That's my silver date here.

794
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,240
Let's get some light on it.
So that's your tattoo, in case

795
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:38,760
anybody's listening to the audio
version.

796
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,840
So that's a point.
That's my tattoo.

797
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,280
Yeah.
Kratom leaf.

798
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,280
Yep.
It's a kratom leaf with a kratom

799
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,080
pod.
One of the.

800
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,960
There we go.
You can see it now.

801
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:55,680
That is awesome Tracy.
I have a kratom tattoo also, but

802
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:02,000
yours is way cooler from from
the right here on my it's it's

803
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,440
just a little right here.
It's it's small, but it's you

804
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,800
know, from the logo of the pine
task.

805
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,280
It's just a leaf outline.
I ran out of room, so I had like

806
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,400
a little spot right there.
I put it there, but that's

807
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,560
awesome.
I I love your tattoo and that's

808
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,960
like a great daily reminder of
your journey.

809
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,640
Well, it's, it's right on my
front arm, which I got it right

810
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,360
here because I that's where I
used to shoot up at.

811
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,640
And if you look real closely,
you can see the scar and the

812
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,640
indentation over it.
But it's kind of like, in my

813
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,400
mind, it was the Kratom as a
Band-Aid.

814
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,240
Like here I got you now, don't
look at it.

815
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,880
Wow, Tracy, that's that's
powerful.

816
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,720
Right.
That's really powerful.

817
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:47,400
Thank you for sharing that.
I'm I'm so glad.

818
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,760
No problem.
Anybody, anybody's listening to

819
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,960
the audio version, go over to
YouTube real quick because you

820
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,760
got to see that that that's,
that's, that's great, Tracy.

821
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,080
I love it.
We'll start wrapping up this

822
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,480
amazing conversation, but I want
to go back for a moment back to

823
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,680
the advocacy.
You know, we're talking about

824
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,200
social media and especially like
how Facebook and TikTok is so

825
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,880
big with censorship are where do
you feel like you're able to

826
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:19,280
talk about kratom more freely?
To be honest, I feel like it

827
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,800
used to be TikTok, but now, now
that they're censoring stuff

828
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,520
too, I don't feel like there's
anywhere for freely to talk

829
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:31,400
about it other than maybe maybe
discord And then the the school

830
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,240
app I'm in, I'm in the kratom
real talk.

831
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,440
So I feel I don't actually have
to like misspell the word or

832
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,480
just put a leaf for it, you
know.

833
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,400
So I would definitely say
Discord or, or the school app.

834
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,080
You can definitely talk about it
a little bit more freely there.

835
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,640
It's so nice to be able to do
that every time I get on TikTok.

836
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,320
It's so frustrating to have to
spell it a different way and

837
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,680
just be careful how we present
ourselves.

838
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,400
Yep, yeah, I don't feel like we
should have to dance around it.

839
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,000
Exactly, exactly.
I mean back to like you were

840
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,160
saying earlier, First Amendment.
I mean, we have to we.

841
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,360
What's lamb to free speech?
Right, exactly.

842
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,480
Yeah, well, I want to wrap up
with one last question for you.

843
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,880
So knowing everything you know
about kratom now and you, you,

844
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,720
you know, you go all the way
back 2017, which is a long time,

845
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,400
what advice would you give
somebody who's just starting on

846
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,120
their journey with kratom?
Whoever's just starting on their

847
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,600
journey definitely don't even
think about trying the seven O

848
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,880
products.
Just totally act like they don't

849
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,800
exist.
Do regular kratom powder first

850
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,920
to make sure how your body is
going to react to it.

851
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:46,520
Stay hydrated and if you don't
have to take it every day for a

852
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,920
certain ailment, take breaks.
That's excellent advice.

853
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,880
Yeah, it's been great.
Tracy, thank you so much for

854
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,320
hanging out and spending time
and sharing your incredible

855
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,160
story with our community.
Yeah, no problem.

856
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,000
Thanks for having me on.
It was a pleasure to do this.

857
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,160
That was I was excited about it
all morning.

858
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,120
Awesome.
Thank you.