Ep 82: Living with Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome: How Kratom Changed Everything for Araya Light

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For the first time, I didn't
hurt and I didn't get high.

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I didn't get stoned.
I just felt a little bit of an

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awe feeling.
It was a relief.

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It was just relief of not
hurting all over for the first

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time in like a decade.
So I was like, holy cow.

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And we only took like a, an
eighth of a teaspoon because we

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were, you know, I had looked it
up.

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You start small.
He was a much bigger guy.

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Even that worked on him.
And he's like, I kind of dig

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this stuff.
It helped.

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It helped take the edge off for
him as an alcoholic.

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And it just took that pain away
from me.

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And so I'm like, I'm going to
need a little bit of this, like,

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I'm going to try this out.
And so when he did, he, he

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shared it with me.
And and then so then I tried the

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red and and I because of the
Ehler Stanlows I'm naturally

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hyperactive and it's hard to
sleep and I refuse to take sleep

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meds.
But for the first time I slept

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like 6-7 hours straight.
I'm here with Area Light, a

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fabulous gal I met who has
popped into our kratom gal's

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live stream in the comments from
time to time.

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Gotten to know her through that
area.

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I'm so glad you're on the
podcast with us because it

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sounds like you have a really
interesting story.

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Yeah, thank you.
I'm so happy to be here.

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I'm happy to have found you
guys.

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Like I found a little tribe, I
think in a way.

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So yeah, like I'm very grateful
to be here and happy that my

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little YouTube guy put you guys
in my life so.

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I'm so glad too.
We have a lot of fun doing that

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live stream and just bringing
our community together.

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And through that, I meet so many
amazing people like yourself.

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And I love having people come on
the podcast here and share their

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story because it can help so
many others.

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So we'll kick it off with you
telling us a little bit about

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yourself and life before kratom.
Yeah.

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OK so I am your typical
Midwestern mom.

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I live on a farm out in a rural
area and I do home school and

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before kratom I was a total go
getter.

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I was the tomboy go go go my
entire life.

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I went to school for mental
health and I worked with the

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disabled population for quite a
while.

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And then I ended up going to
bartending with my best friend.

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And I loved it.
I went from doing paperwork and

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early mornings to having a blast
with my best friend, but very

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physical job.
And I did that for about a

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decade.
And you know, my, my job was

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opening bottles and making
drinks for people.

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And one day in my early 30s, I
started having joint pain

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everywhere.
And I, I, my wrist hurt and I

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was like, is it just wear and
tear?

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You know, I mean, I'm only like
32.

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And it just kept getting worse.
And I ended up having to walk

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off the job one day because I
was just in so much pain.

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And cut to a month later, I'm
pretty much being diagnosed with

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rheumatoid arthritis and I went
from, you know, opening 1000

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beer bottles a night to not
being able to open a water

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bottle on my own.
Just too much pain and I had no

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strength.
So I went from bartending to

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bedridden matter of months.
And I had always been very

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independent, multiple jobs.
I would bartend.

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I was also a promo model, a
brand ambassador.

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I worked out at like the State
Fair every year and like just

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different like big events and
always on my feet.

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Just go, go, go and, and to all
of a sudden be veteran it, it

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was just like, what is going on?
And so unfortunately, I, you

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know, I was going to doctors and
doctors are just spinning the

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wheel and they're like, OK,
you're going to take this

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pharmaceutical and you're going
to take this pharmaceutical.

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And at first, you know, I
listened to them because why

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wouldn't I?
But I just was feeling worse.

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And I've always been kind of a
natural health girl.

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Like I've never been one that
likes to take medicine.

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I'd rather just tough it out.
If I have a headache, I'll drink

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some water, you know, or if I
have a, a muscle ache, I'll put

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some magnesium gel on it, you
know, just not a big farming

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gal.
So when all of a sudden I'm

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dependent on big pharma and I'm
not getting any better, I'm, I'm

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just like, this can't be my way
of life.

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And I was on Facebook at the
time and I found a group called

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Rheumatoid arthritis managed
Naturally and it was ran by an

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RN.
And in this group, they were

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saying things like remission
pain free versus the other

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groups that I were in that we're
talking about injections and

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infusions and you know, you
know, just not being able to get

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out of bed every day and in your
10th Med.

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And so I was like, wow, there is
a dichotomy here.

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And I think I'm going to try to
listen to these people that are

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seemingly getting better.
So I kind of leaned into that.

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Meanwhile, I'm on the waiting
list to go see a rheumatologist.

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Our healthcare system's not that
great.

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I think it took about 8 months.
So again, I'm literally

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bedridden at this point.
I'm not physically able to

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function.
My entire body was just riddled

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with inflammation.
I couldn't pull a sheet up in

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bed.
Basically, I was having family

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have to take care of me and,
and, and my needs At this point,

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I finally get to see this
rheumatologist.

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And by this point I learned a
little bit about natural health

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from this group.
And I had kind of cut back.

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I'm like, oh, Mountain Dew is
bad.

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OK, I'm going to stop drinking
the Mountain Dew.

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And you know, the, the, the
greasy hamburgers and the

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chicken sandwiches that I
thought were healthy at Wendy's

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but really are not, and eating
at Subway.

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And I was just learning that,
you know, what I put in my body

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really does matter.
And so when I finally got to see

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this rheumatologist, and I was
so excited because I had quit

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these things.
I've been drinking Mountain Dew

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since I was in high school.
And the fact that I had been

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able to stop and, you know, I
switched my diet around and I

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was starting to see some mild
improvements.

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And as I start to tell this man,
he literally interrupts me and

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says, diet doesn't matter.
And I was just like, oh, and he

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was like a very older, probably
70s, like a Polish man.

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He had, you know, been doing
this his entire life.

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And I was just like that.
I hate to think differently

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here, but according to
everything I've been reading,

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that's not true.
So I went ahead and let him, you

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know, write me the scripts and,
and, and want to put me on a

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chemotherapy drug.
And just, I hear this nightmare.

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And, and a little side note, my
aunt is, was crippled with

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rheumatoid arthritis.
I had saw her for 30 years with

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the crippled hands being in a
wheelchair and she was on all of

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these meds and they had never
made her any better.

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So I'm going to, I walked out
and I was like, I don't think

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I'm going to go see that doctor
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I think I need another doctor.
And so I went to my, my primary

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care physician who has been my
doctor since I was 8 years old,

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which is very weird.
But he was a family friend, so

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he knew me.
He knew me and he's like, OK,

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we'll, we'll try to find you a
better match.

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So again, we're really looking
at like 9 or 10 months of a wait

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though.
So again, I'm really leaning

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into this Facebook group of
natural health and I'm literally

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just my, my dad's helping me.
We have a, a family friend who

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was an organic farmer.
She worked with Farm Aid in like

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the 80s and 90s.
She knows her stuff about

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natural health, so she gets
involved too.

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And so we're just basically, I'm
swapping out my meds without my

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doctor's permission.
You know, I'm just, I'm like, it

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makes me itch.
It makes me like, but I was

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seeing the results, taking away
the bad food.

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So I do an entire gut health
thing.

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You know, I do an entire
elimination diet.

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I which an anti-inflammatory,
anti-inflammatory elimination

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diet.
And that's what I did.

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And it, it took a few weeks and
it was really boring and, and

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it, but I saw a huge, huge
reduction in pain and I could

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move again and I could get out
of bed.

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And so that's what I did.
I literally changed my entire

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life.
I, I stopped all the fast food,

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all the, the things that I
thought were healthy that we're

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not.
Come to find out, you know,

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white sugar, white flour and
even white salt are, are pretty

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bad for you.
And, and so as I'm going through

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the steps and I finally go to
see this other rheumatologist

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and at this point in time, I
don't really, I'm a lot better.

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And but she feels like I would
really like you to be on a

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medication And, and I'm like,
but, but why, you know, I'm

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getting better, eliminating
things and reintroducing, you

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know, good food to my body that
I've never had before.

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So she kind of was like, well,
well, OK, I'll give you a shot.

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Let's see what happens.
So I get off all meds and

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because my dad's really pushing
me, he's like, well, why are you

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on?
And so I'm like, OK, fine.

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And I'll and this and again,
I'm, I'm not telling anyone to

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do this.
This was my journey.

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This was my intuition telling me
that this is not the way.

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And I'm a highly sensitive
person.

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So all those drugs were just
causing so many side effects.

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It just was not worth it to me.
And again, as I'm removing

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things and I'm just, I'm feeling
better.

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And it was really hard to be in
the mindset of going against

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your authority.
You know, I mean, these doctors

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or who have I've listened to my
entire life and now I'm going

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against them and I'm finding
better results.

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So that's what I did and I ended
up getting off all of my

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medication.
I ended up turning around all of

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my blood work.
I had had seropositive

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rheumatoid arthritis.
My numbers were off the charts.

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Two years later, face level, the
rheumatologist was shocked, you

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know, could not believe that I
had done this.

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And so she's, and my doctor too
is like, you know, great, your

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blood levels at great, but you
still have rheumatoid arthritis.

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I was like, OK, I, I get that.
But I have this new lifestyle.

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So I get more into herbalism,
more into plants.

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You know, I've always been kind
of a little bit of a hippie.

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And so I just kind of lean into
that.

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And I started learning about, I
heard about kratom and at the

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time I was still having some
pain.

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You know, I mean, I wasn't pain
free by any means, but I had

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gotten rid of about 80% of the
inflammation in the pain.

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One day I was carrying in
groceries.

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I was able to function again.
I'd gotten out of bed.

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At this point, I'm taking care
of my house.

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I go to get groceries, but I had
lost all of my muscle tone.

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Could be in bed ridden for
months, bartender to bed ridden.

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That's a really weird mindset
because I was like mighty mouth.

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So I'm carrying in groceries to
the house and all of a sudden my

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shoulder socket rips out of
place and I'm just in an extreme

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amount of pain.
And I, I hurry and get in the

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house and I can't lift my arm
And I'm like, I, I thought maybe

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it just popped out of socket
because that has happened to me.

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I've sprained my ankle a lot.
My joints have been kind of

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loose.
I used to have to pop my elbows.

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I played basketball and I was a
little snappy.

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My whole family was.
And Long story short, I end up

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going to physical therapy
because my shoulder is just, I

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can't lift it.
And they start, they're, they're

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met, you know, checking me out,
testing me, doing everything.

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And they say you're extremely
hyper mobile.

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I was like, what's hyper mobile
mean?

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And it means that your joints
move further.

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They have a further range of
motion than normal.

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You know, most people's joints
should move 8°.

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Mine move like 12 as an example.
So, and I am 3435 years old and

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this is the first time I've ever
heard this in my life.

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And this therapist like 22 years
old, but I'm, I'm a avid

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researcher.
I'd love to learn.

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I'm a total nerd.
Plus she's telling me about

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myself.
So I go home and I'm like

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hypermobile.
And I, I start, you know, going

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down the rabbit hole and I hear,
I read about Aylor Stanlow

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syndrome, which is a genetic
connective tissue disorder,

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super rare, supposedly.
And as I read all the things of

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we'll shorten it to EDSEDS.
I'm just like, check, check,

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check.
I, I'm home, I have all of these

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things.
I had sprained my ankle every

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year.
I, I, there was things in there,

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you know, I had over dental
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I had sensitivities to
everything.

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I was, I was just like, this is
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This is my family.
We just thought we were a little

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weird.
You know, come to find out, I

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have this rare genetic
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So I take this list into my
rheumatologist and I'm like, I

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think I have this and, and I, I
took it to my doctor originally

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who again, has known me since I
was 8 years old.

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And I was like, hey doc, I think
I have this.

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And he dismissed me.
He said, Oh no, absolutely not.

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He said I've only seen one
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that has that.
And I was like, oh, but come on.

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Like and I was really
disheartened.

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So then he's like, take it to
your rheumatologist because she

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would be the one anyways to
diagnose this.

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I was like, OK, so I ironically
had an appointment with her like

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a week later, I think it's her.
I get to #3 and she's like, I

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have no doubt.
You have that.

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And I was like, what?
Like mind blowing?

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Like this changes my entire
life.

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Like no wonder that I have had
these struggles and these

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problems and sprain on my ankle
every year and these heat

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intolerances and just
everything.

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It was just like I was validated
for the first time.

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She said, I'll send you to a
geneticist.

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Well, you know, they're the
final say.

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And so that was back in 2015.
So I'd spent my entire life with

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this rare genetic condition and
I've just been living with it.

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And what it is, is it's a
collagen disorder.

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So if you think about the Three
Little Pigs, the house made of

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bricks, I'm the house made of
straw.

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My collagen is, is is less
dense, so everything in my body

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has to work 10 times harder.
So my joints are hypermobile so

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they don't want to stay in
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And then my muscles have to work
much harder because their tissue

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is so much less dense that they
have to struggle.

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And that's how my every organ in
my body is like that.

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So mind blowing.
Wow, you know, And so now it's

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like now we know why my aunt has
her problem.

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Now we know why my sister like
it was because it's genetic.

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I just happened to have the
worst case and the avid

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researcher and me to dive down
and figure out what's going on

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because I'm not one to lay in
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You know, I said I was a tomboy.
I'm a go getter.

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Let's let's let's.
Solve this problem places be

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things to do.
Absolutely, I can relate.

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Yes, absolutely.
And it's so hard to be.

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And what I had, I made a quote
like, like frustration is a

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hustler's mind in a broken body
because your mind is just going

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and you can't, you literally
physically can't do anything.

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So breakthrough, now I can get
the therapy, now I can get the

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doctors.
Now I can get the validation

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that yes, you are different.
Yes, you do have a more of a

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struggle.
And it comes with heart

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problems.
It comes with it's a mitral

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valve prolapse, which my aunt
had in her 40s.

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And it can cause brain
aneurysms, which my mother

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passed away from.
So it's a big, it's a big deal.

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And so I would really like to
help spread awareness about

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Aylor Stamos syndrome because it
is not nearly as rare as people

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think, you know?
It's not.

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I hear people talk about it all
the time in our community, in

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our Kream community.
It's like I, I never even heard

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of it before I became a Kream
consumer.

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But people do talk about having
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It's it's not rare.
No, and there's 13 different

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subtypes and so that alone, if
there's that many types, clearly

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there's going to be a, a decent
amount in the population that's

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having this.
So I do see a geneticist every

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year.
They, they poke and prod me.

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I, I do have some mutations.
I'm kind of a big deal up there.

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It's it's fun honestly, because
it's kind of cool being

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different, you know, it's and,
and they got excited about my

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mutations and it's like, so I
really am an alien, you know, so

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lot of answers there.
So.

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I'm so glad that you got it all
figured out.

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Took a while, but you got it
figured out.

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But you you kind of briefly
mentioned you found kratom

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through in the middle of all of
that.

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So let's go back to like, how
did you first hear about Kratom?

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Like, how'd you hear about it
and what made you decide to try

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it?
Absolutely.

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So during that downtime, I came
across a guy named Jordan Staser

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who was in the quote truther
community.

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I used to be kind of a
political, not political, but

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we'll say political activism,
but not really.

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But I used to just be into like
what's going on.

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And he was an activist and he,
he brought it up one day.

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I, I respected him.
He was younger, but he was very,

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very intelligent guy.
And he mentioned it one day and

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said that he had found it, it's
an herbal supplement and that it

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had helped him his focus and it
helped him his, he, he didn't

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have to like drink caffeine
anymore.

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He, he, it just his neurotropic.
He, he could not take a lot of

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things because the kratom just
improved everything for him.

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And he just couldn't speak
highly enough about it.

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He wasn't trying to sell it.
But I was like, wow, the herbal

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supplement, huh?
Which that was all I was taking

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at that point in time.
I'd been off of all of big

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pharma.
So, but unfortunately I was

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living in a state where you you
couldn't access it.

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So it was kind of a pipe dream.
And this was about 2016, 2015,

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16 About 2018-2019, a friend of
mine who was struggling with

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alcoholism went down to a Indian
like a powwow healing center and

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they had kratom there.
And since I'm everyone's

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herbalist, he was like, well,
I'll just ask Ray about this.

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So they had helped him get
sober, and then they sent him

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home with some green and some
red.

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And he didn't know anything
about it, but he trusted that I

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could tell him.
And this was just like the world

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coming together for me because
he's like, hey, I got this

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stuff.
And I don't know what to do with

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it, but I figured you would know
what to do with it.

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And I was like, kratom.
And he's like, yeah, it's like,

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I'll be right over.
So and 'cause he, I was like,

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we'll take it together.
I I've been trying to try this

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stuff for years.
And there it was.

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And so he's like, OK, so we took
it together.

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And again, because of the Ehler
Stanlow syndrome, I do have

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pain.
It's chronic pain because my

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body is constantly struggling to
just sit upright.

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And I can't take medication
because I'm so sensitive to

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stuff.
So I just kind of tough it out.

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I used topicals, bio freeze,
magnesium, all that good stuff.

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But for the first time, I didn't
hurt and I didn't get high.

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I didn't get stoned.
I just felt a little bit of an

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awe feeling.
It was a relief.

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It was just relief of not
hurting all over for the first

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time in like a decade.
So I was like, holy cow.

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And we only took like a, an
eighth of a teaspoon because we

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were, you know, I had looked it
up.

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You start small.
He was a much bigger guy.

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Even that worked on him.
And he's like, I kind of dig

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this stuff.
It helped.

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It helped take the edge off for
him as an alcoholic and it just

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took that pain away from me.
And so I'm like, I'm going to

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need a little bit of this, like
I'm going to try this out.

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And so when he did, he, he
shared it with me and, and then,

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so then I tried the red and, and
I, because of the Ehlers

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Stanlow's, I'm naturally
hyperactive and it's hard to

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sleep and I refuse to take sleep
meds.

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But for the first time, I slept
like 6-7 hours straight and I

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was like, holy cow, it's a
miracle.

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It's a miracle.
And again, I didn't wake up

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groggy, I didn't woke up, wake
up hungover.

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It was just, and I could turn
over in bed.

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And that was one of the hardest
things is with with the EDS with

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the pain is just laying flat.
It's so hard even just to roll

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over in bed it your joint, your
joints get stiff, they get

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stuck, they they dislocate while
you're sleeping.

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It's you have to like build a
little pillow fortress sometimes

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to get comfortable.
And this allowed me to relax and

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sleep.
And that was the start of that

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was the bottom of the mountain
of maybe progressing out of

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chronic pain.
Like literally every step I

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took, I hurt.
I just was used to it.

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I just literally lived And every
my elbows, my hands, I would get

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things called trigger fingers
and my hands or my hands would

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just lock up.
Like I could not use my hands.

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So I would have to be very
careful and like, you know, it

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was a, a balancing act of can I
pick this up without triggering

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something?
And then now I can't use my hand

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for a few weeks.
So I was constantly in pain and

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constantly trying to function.
And Kratom was just enough to

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allow me to take that, that one
extra step every day or, or pick

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up that one extra thing that
slowly allowed me to get the

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cobwebs out of my body.
And and like the, I was like the

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tin Man on the Wizard of Oz, you
know, and it's like the, the

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Kratom was like my oil can.
And so just literally over, it

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took a couple years, you know,
it wasn't quick, but over time I

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started being able to function
more and more and more.

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And it was thanks to the kratom.
So that's how I got started with

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it.
That's amazing Areum.

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Wow, I I am so glad you found
it.

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It sounds like it's been your
miracle plant.

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It absolutely like I'm kind of
into tattoos and I kind of want

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a kratom tattoo because it it is
that.

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I got a one, I got my little one
that.

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Wow, see, that's my.
Arms are covered, but I had room

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and it's like I had I had to get
that a few years ago.

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Just it's just the logo from
Krame Stories.

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Yeah, how important it is to me.
And I mean, it has been life

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changing.
And I think we might get into it

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in a little bit, like the
propaganda we've talked about on

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the show.
And like, I've had to bring this

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to my family because they have
heard the negative propaganda.

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And once I showed them this is
what I've actually been taking

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for the last 5-6 years that has
given me my life back.

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And they know I'm not an addict.
And I've never had any type of

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addiction.
I've never had any problem like

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that.
And they have seen the

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improvement.
So they're like, OK, clearly

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this is a beneficial plan.
Yeah.

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So that's great.
Well, so many times people do

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say to me, like, family members
weren't really on board, but

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then they see how their loved
ones doing and they're like,

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wait a minute, they're doing so
much better now.

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There's something to this.
So I think it's great that

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you've been able to show them
how well this works for you

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because it's so easy to watch
the news and believe what what

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we see on TV.
Oh, easy so.

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We don't, we don't, we don't
know, right, unless we're shown

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otherwise.
And that's one of the reasons

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why I do the kratom gals live
stream because I just got so

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tired of seeing video after
video after video of all this

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propaganda, misinformation,
false information, especially

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news media.
It's like, I still can't get

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over how many times right now in
2025, there's a news story about

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7.
OH, but they're showing whole

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leaf kratom powder.
That's as if it solved the name.

442
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,560
That's exactly what was
happening.

443
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,480
I'm not gonna name the family
member, but that's what they

444
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,200
were thinking that I was taking.
And so I broke it all out.

445
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,160
I was like, absolutely not.
And I just take powder.

446
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,760
I just take the powder and I
take this tea.

447
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,520
As a bartender, I was used to
taking shots.

448
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,440
So I just take a little bit, you
know, I, I take about 1/4 of a

449
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,640
teaspoon and I mix it in a
little bit of a water bottle and

450
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,880
shake it up.
And, and I, I don't do it all at

451
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,640
once.
I, I kind of, I take it three

452
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,080
times during the day and then
once at night, But I kind of, I

453
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,440
don't shoot it all at once.
I'll kind of drink half and then

454
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,760
an hour or two later I'll come
back and finish it off.

455
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,200
So, and I have actually lowered
my dose because at the

456
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,920
beginning, you know, I was in so
much pain that I, I needed it

457
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,560
24/7 basically.
And it, but it helped.

458
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,800
But it, I could feel it wear off
and it didn't give me any

459
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,480
withdrawal.
I would just start hurting.

460
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,800
I was like, oh, oh, there it is
again.

461
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,920
Oh, I forgot it.
And it was just like, Oh my

462
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,520
gosh, me too.
That's yeah, that's how my life

463
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,640
has been.
And so I would just, it's like,

464
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,360
OK, I'm going to go ahead and
take my dose.

465
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,520
But now that I've progressed to
the point where I'm at now, I

466
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,560
wake up and I can go an hour or
two and I kind of, I just, and

467
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,720
and then I'll drink my coffee
first.

468
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,920
You know, I'll kind of get up
and it's after I'm up and moving

469
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,040
around, but then I'm starting to
kind of feel and then I'm like,

470
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,920
OK, I'll go ahead and take my
first dose.

471
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,560
So, you know, I've, I've not had
to do any tolerance breaks.

472
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,640
I'm just very regimented about
it.

473
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,240
And I always have been.
I know that other people are

474
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,320
not.
I've actually helped quite a few

475
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:21,240
friends with the alcohol.
I can't tell you if he's still

476
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,000
sober at this point, but he was
sober for about a year after

477
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,600
that.
So it, it did help with the

478
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,080
sobriety.
And I've had friends who were on

479
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:35,480
Suboxone who have turned over to
the kratom and, and they could

480
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,200
do this too.
They can tell you how it's

481
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,720
changed their life.
I mean, I, I had a girlfriend

482
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,240
who, I've been friends with her
since we were teenagers and some

483
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,400
drugs are running and ruining
her life.

484
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,360
And, you know, and so then she
was stuck on the Suboxone and

485
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,600
I'm like, let me there's,
there's better.

486
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,320
And so, you know, and now she,
she has a full time job.

487
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,520
Her and her husband actually own
their own business.

488
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,800
They've moved up three times
into a better house.

489
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,240
I mean, I'm just so proud of
them.

490
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,280
And again, it's, it's, she's not
addicted to it.

491
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,520
It's just helping her function
and she's no longer losing her

492
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,680
teeth to the Suboxone and she's
not, you know what I mean?

493
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,160
It's just, and to see another
person benefit in a different

494
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,680
way, but still it's so life
changing.

495
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,320
It's just, it's a miracle plant
for a lot of people.

496
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,800
And I just, I really want to
speak out about that because

497
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,680
there's a huge difference in use
versus abuse.

498
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,680
And you know, us chronic pain
people with Aylor Stanlow

499
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,520
syndrome, if you have EDSI,
highly suggest you try kratom.

500
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,160
Just point blank, like I, that's
one of the things I want to do.

501
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,800
I want to do a little show about
the benefits of kratom and how

502
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,480
it does help the Ehler Stanley
syndrome because it helps me on

503
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,280
multiple ways.
And anyone with EDS would agree

504
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,400
they'll be like, Oh my gosh,
you're right.

505
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,160
It does help with the anxiety.
It does help with, you know, the

506
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,960
lack of sleep at night.
It just it helps on so many

507
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,800
different levels and it's all
natural.

508
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,680
So I just really would like to
help advocate and get it out

509
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,360
there and squash all that big
pharma propaganda that ruin.

510
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,720
It oh, I'm excited that you want
to do that.

511
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,040
I think that's such a great
idea.

512
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,040
We need more people advocating
and helping people and just

513
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,400
sharing information through
their own personal experience.

514
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,040
You can't get much better than
that.

515
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,400
You know, it's just here's how
here's how this works for me and

516
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,040
others can relate to that and
you were just touching on about

517
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,320
how this is just helping you in
your everyday life.

518
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,720
Let's talk a little bit more
about that.

519
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,600
You know, so many times people
discover kratom and they just

520
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,960
find other things that it helps
with like just just their

521
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,480
well-being.
Or sometimes people say I also

522
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,320
take medication for anxiety and
I don't even take it anymore

523
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,040
because I didn't realize kratom
would help me with that.

524
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,160
So just what are you noticing?
Like, you know since you've been

525
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,800
a kratom consumers consumer how
it just helps you with your

526
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,720
day-to-day life.
Absolutely.

527
00:28:53,720 --> 00:29:01,280
So I was one of the first people
diagnosed with ADD back in the

528
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,680
90s.
I kind of they, I got the

529
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,680
medication.
I'd say that I'm clinically

530
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,400
diagnosed, you know, and I
didn't like the way it made me

531
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,680
feel and I got rid of it.
And I've just been going through

532
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,200
life without that until I was a
mother.

533
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,560
Then once when I was a mom, I,
I, I couldn't do it anymore when

534
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,480
I was a bartender.
Having ADHD is actually a skill.

535
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,520
It, it helps you, it helps you
multitask.

536
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,520
I mean, it is beneficial.
But then when you're trying to

537
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,240
like run a business and a home
and your mom, all of a sudden

538
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,080
you need five more hands.
And when you're ADHD is not, is

539
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,960
overwhelmed, you can't.
So I did end up getting on some

540
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:47,720
ADHD medication and it, it was a
miracle it, I was labeling my

541
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,080
son's toy boxes.
I mean, I everything was great,

542
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,400
but I didn't like it.
I again, it's pharmaceutical,

543
00:29:54,760 --> 00:30:00,240
but I couldn't, it did help me
it the way that I describe the

544
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,800
medication is my unlike a car
and that medication puts the

545
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,120
driver in the car.
It gets go, go do this.

546
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,760
Put this here, put that there.
This needs to be done.

547
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,360
So it does help me.
But again, once I start taking

548
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:19,600
the kratom, that helped me, it
gave me that focus that I was

549
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,600
missing.
And it kind of gave me the

550
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,320
little bit of an energy of like,
OK, I need to get up and do

551
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,760
something and I want to get up
and do something.

552
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,840
I want to go clean out that
drawer.

553
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,920
I want to go.
I've been wanting to do this for

554
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,040
weeks, you know, And so it just
gave me that the motivation.

555
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:40,000
It took the pain away, gave me
the motivation, the focus energy

556
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,000
to then go start doing things
that I hadn't been able to do

557
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,040
literally in like a decade.
So that again was just huge that

558
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,040
I can start taking care of
little things and I'm not going

559
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,920
to be back.
When I was on that medication, I

560
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,640
was highly sensitive and all
they would have to do is change

561
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,200
the brand or the manufacturer
and I'd start having crazy side

562
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,480
effects.
So I would have to be very

563
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,360
careful even on that and, and
insurance, it was just a hassle

564
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,640
and I was like, I'm just going
to stop.

565
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,400
I just don't want to be on it
anyways.

566
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,240
And Kratom does enough for me
there that it puts the driver in

567
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,920
the car for the most part.
And so again, you know, we have

568
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,560
a little hobby farm here.
We've got donkeys and rabbits

569
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:26,320
and, and you know, we've got
acreage and I can go out to the

570
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,360
barn like I could, I can walk
back and forth, you know, I can

571
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,920
help with things and I can never
have done that before.

572
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:40,000
So the anxiety as well with the
Ehler Stanlow syndrome, if

573
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,800
anyone has it, anxiety is a huge
part.

574
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,200
We have like a internal hyper
vigilance because since our body

575
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,640
is always working so hard, we're
kind of like in fight or flight

576
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,240
all the time.
And so everyone's on like

577
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,080
antidepressants and, and that's
something I want nothing to do

578
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,400
with.
So again, I'm just live life

579
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,720
with that.
But again, I would have anxiety

580
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,240
and I would feel it so I would I
tried some yellow kratom, which

581
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,760
people don't really talk about
yellow that often, but yellow is

582
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,240
they call it mellow yellow and
it literally was like taking

583
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,240
Medicaid.
It just it took the edge off

584
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,520
calm my nerves.
So when my mother passed away,

585
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,680
that stuff ramped up pretty bad,
the anxiety, and I got through

586
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,120
it with the yellow kratom and I
don't have to take the yellow

587
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,120
kratom anymore, but I do still
have some.

588
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,960
So, yeah, I mean, it is
literally filled in those gaps

589
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,240
that big pharma had tried to
fill, but really wasn't doing a

590
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,240
good job because of the side
effects.

591
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,200
The kratom, I have no side
effects.

592
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,240
It it does make me drink more
water, which is great.

593
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,840
You know, I mean, that's the
only that's a good thing.

594
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,400
You have to drink more water,
which that I needed to do that

595
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,520
anyways.
So you know, that's.

596
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,520
That's the downside thing.
I've had no negative side

597
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,880
effects either.
I mean, yes, drink more water,

598
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,160
which is a good thing for some
of us, a little bit of a

599
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,480
Constipation issue, but you
know, there's over the counter

600
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,840
medications or, or just
magnesium, you know, supplements

601
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,200
will help with that.
Now I I had more side effects

602
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,800
when I was taking the opiates
for like chronic pain.

603
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,240
I was allergic, I was allergic
to the opiates.

604
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,440
So they I itch yes, I could not
take.

605
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,800
So that's the other thing too,
is like this works on the opioid

606
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,080
receptors, right?
But it's all natural.

607
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,080
So that was, I was a little bit
of fear.

608
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,640
They're trying it.
But again, none of none of that.

609
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,760
I didn't when I was taking, you
know, the, the, the opioids from

610
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,240
the doctor.
I mean, I literally, there was

611
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,920
one time when I, I was going to
scratch my skin off because the

612
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,880
internal itch was so bad.
And it's like, I can't just, if

613
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,400
there's a side effect, I'm going
to have it.

614
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,560
So, you know, and, and to go
from all of that to just a

615
00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,000
complete safe, a leaf, a leaf
that we just grind up, it's what

616
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,920
do you yeah, let's let's do
that.

617
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,480
It's hard to believe.
Like I just remember the first

618
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,000
time I heard about kratom, it
was from the documentary A Leaf

619
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,600
of Faith and they're talking
about this plant and how well it

620
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,520
works for pain relief.
And I just remember thinking

621
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,280
that there's no way a plant is
going to is going to help my

622
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,080
pain instead of the opiates and
the opiates, while they work for

623
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,239
me, they didn't make all my pain
go away.

624
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,960
I mean, you know, and all the
the many years I was in pain

625
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,719
management, pain was always top
of mind.

626
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,400
I mean, I was always hurting.
The meds would just take the

627
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,800
edge off of the pain so at least
it was tolerable so I could

628
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,560
still do things but I was
hurting all the time all the

629
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,880
time and was so wild with me.
For me with kratom 6 1/2 years

630
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,000
I've been taking it every day.
Never had tolerance break

631
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,199
either.
I've never needed one.

632
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,520
Yes dependent but never had any
addiction issues with kratom.

633
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,640
But it I, I'm just, I forget
that I'm a chronic pain patient.

634
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,960
I'm, I forget that I'm somebody
that suffers with debilitating

635
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,440
degenerative disk disease.
That's something that doesn't

636
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,960
get better.
It only gets worse.

637
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,000
And I am a little nervous
because I haven't been to a

638
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,880
doctor for it in these 6 1/2
years because I got dropped from

639
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,680
pain management through no fault
of my own.

640
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,400
Doctors are still doing this war
on drugs that never worked.

641
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,480
But you know, that's that's the
way.

642
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:24,840
It is right now.
Yeah, I mean it it, it is what

643
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:31,000
it is.
But this plant is just like the

644
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,280
thing with me is why do people
not talk about this here?

645
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,520
This has been life changing for
me and it and what turned me

646
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,760
into this big advocate very
quickly when I became a kratom

647
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,200
consumer was I looked back at my
nine years in pain management,

648
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,680
never heard kratom, never heard
about I never heard anybody

649
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,320
talking about it.
And I'm an Internet person.

650
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,760
I, you know, that's, that was
the work I've always done.

651
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,360
I've been in digital marketing
for like 29 years.

652
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,600
I've been teaching social media
the last 20, very immersed in

653
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,520
all that.
I've never heard of Kratom.

654
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,120
I'm like, something's wrong
here.

655
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,600
How could this plant change my
life, Get Me Out of debilitating

656
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,160
pain?
Yes, it wears off and then I

657
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,000
need more because I need to take
it again because like, just like

658
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,000
you, you were saying, like it
wears off now I'm in pain again.

659
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,760
I'm not feeling like I have to
have it, like there's no

660
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,680
psychological addiction thing
going on is I don't want to be

661
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:30,000
in pain and I would much rather
consume a plant than an opiate.

662
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,720
I mean, if I have a choice,
sure.

663
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,320
I just couldn't believe nobody
talks about this in the pain

664
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,320
community or very little.
But I'm like, OK, I got to start

665
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,000
a podcast.
I need to use my skills to get

666
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,160
the word out and help people
because people need to be aware

667
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,560
of this.
And, and you know, what's

668
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,400
interesting is since I've been
doing the podcast, the live

669
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,920
stream, all this stuff being
active on TikTok, people have

670
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,320
heard about kratom from seeing
my videos.

671
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,320
I've had multiple people say to
me, I learned about kratom.

672
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,080
I stumbled upon you on social
media.

673
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,920
I learned about kratom from you.
I, I relate to your story.

674
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,640
I have chronic pain too.
I was, this is what some of them

675
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,440
have said.
I was able to fire my pain

676
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,240
management doctor.
I want that.

677
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:15,280
I want that too.
Powerful.

678
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,440
That's amazing.
Mind blown, Mind blown and, and

679
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,960
that's not why I went into
advocacy.

680
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,240
I, I just want to help spread
awareness.

681
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,200
I want people to know there's an
alternative whether you suffer

682
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,320
from pain, anxiety, depression,
or just want a, a cleaner energy

683
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,600
boost instead of caffeine, you
know, you'd rather just consume

684
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,080
kratom.
And I, I just, I love doing

685
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,000
this.
It's just definitely my passion.

686
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,560
I love that you're also
passionate about advocacy.

687
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,040
And I love how you've been
helping people, you know, around

688
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,080
you with it.
Is this just something you do

689
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,480
very regularly, just kind of
talking it up about kratom and

690
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,320
helping others?
I've always been This is going

691
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,560
to sound funny, but I've always
been like the village witch

692
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,720
doctor in a way.
Growing up.

693
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:02,840
If you if the somebody got stung
by a bee or they needed a

694
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,480
Band-Aid.
I've just always been the

695
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:11,560
motherly nursing, caring energy.
So yeah, I mean, animals find

696
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:17,400
me, people find me.
And I really that means the most

697
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,040
to me to, to for a short time I
worked at like a spinal care

698
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,520
center.
So I actually know a lot about

699
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,760
what you're what you have.
And I was in the marketing

700
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,920
program and I was bringing
people in to do our non invasive

701
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,080
spinal decompression stuff.
And I would have our clients

702
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,520
then seek me out, come find me
in my office to thank me and say

703
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,880
that, you know, this is the
first time that I don't hurt and

704
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,400
it's thanks to you.
And that was like 15 years ago.

705
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,600
So I've experienced that.
And like, that's the best thing

706
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,600
on earth, you know, to have
somebody just thank you that I

707
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,800
don't hurt and in your part of
that journey.

708
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,560
So, yeah, I totally wanna do
that.

709
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,640
And so people around me that
they just come to me, they'll

710
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,680
should I take this?
I trust you more than my doctor.

711
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,880
People that I went to high
school with, they'll message me

712
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,760
on Facebook.
Hey, my doctor wants me to take

713
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:06,920
this.
What do you think?

714
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,760
Constantly people are running
things by me like that.

715
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,480
I have found out that there is
just a whole community of kratom

716
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,240
users in like illegal states,
for instance, that you know that

717
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,760
they but they're pain, pain
people, you know, they're not

718
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,440
addicts, they're not druggies.
They're people who have been

719
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,040
kicked out of pain management.
You know, they're people that

720
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,360
have had five failed back
surgeries and they're doctors

721
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,320
like good luck.
They're people like me who every

722
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,480
step I took, I was in pain and
there was not really an

723
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,840
alternative.
Everything I took made me sick.

724
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,240
So yes, shout it from the
rooftops.

725
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:47,840
You know that there is an
alternative.

726
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,640
You can get better and trust
your intuition.

727
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,800
Like I think that's a big part
of it is if, if you want to get

728
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,000
better and you know that you
can't like your body wants to

729
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,720
heal itself.
Your body wants to get better.

730
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:04,960
And that's step one mindset that
you can get better.

731
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,720
And then once you kind of bring
that into your your energy

732
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:10,640
field.
People will start coming and

733
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,280
then things like kratom, you
know, just it, it gets brought

734
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,080
into your universe and then you
experience it.

735
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,640
And then you can be that the
person that goes 1st and say

736
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,280
like, Hey, look what I did and
you can do it too.

737
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,200
Follow me.
I know the way you know, and

738
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,480
that's, that's kind of like my,
my screen name of Ray light.

739
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,480
I want to be that Ray light for
people, you know, follow me.

740
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,560
I, I figured it out.
I went from bedridden to, you

741
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,040
know, helping out in the barn.
You know, it's, it's I've lived

742
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,680
multiple lives.
You can get better.

743
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,400
And kratom has been a pivotal,
pivotal aspect of that.

744
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,840
And it's, it's pretty much the
only thing that I take.

745
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:53,800
I mean, I'm not on any big
pharma and it we'll give it

746
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,480
this.
My family member had a toothache

747
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,720
and was going to and I they
because of kidney issues, can't

748
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,720
take certain medications.
And I was like, I got you and I

749
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:08,240
and I gave them some kratom
pills and was able to fall

750
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:10,720
asleep and make it through until
they could get the tooth

751
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:12,920
removed.
So you just little things like

752
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,520
that.
It's it's so beneficial and I

753
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,160
love having the little pharmacy
in my pocket, you know, or just,

754
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:24,120
you know, like the knowledge and
the know how and the experience

755
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,320
and the story to show people,
hey, this works and this is how

756
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,720
it works and it can work for you
too.

757
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,280
It can help so many people.
I I love that I love, I love

758
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,400
just.
This is such a great

759
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:35,880
conversation.
I'm so excited for you.

760
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,360
My mom's an energy drink person
and she was, she had a brain

761
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,920
aneurysm and and died.
And I with the Atler stainless

762
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,480
syndrome, that could happen to
me.

763
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,040
I mean an aneurysm that's part
of the connective tissue

764
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,240
disorder.
But I, the one thing that I do

765
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,280
regret is not getting her on
kratom.

766
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,360
I wish that there had not been
the stigma.

767
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,760
I wish that it had been more
known about that I could say,

768
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,560
hey, mom, let's get out those
energy drinks.

769
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,320
Let's try this natural thing
that you gave me.

770
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,840
No, And I, and I think that it
could have possibly helped her.

771
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,800
So that's another reason why
advocating is so important

772
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,200
because it's like, if you feel
the need to speak up, go ahead

773
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,080
and speak up because you don't
know if you're going to have the

774
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,040
chance again.
Right wow, I'm so sorry about

775
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,360
your mom that but that that's
powerful and I love that that's

776
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,680
part of your motivation to to
doing this and helping others.

777
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,880
I want to talk about like a hot
topic subject that that's you

778
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,880
know that's always in front of
her face all the time right now

779
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,960
708 and I remember a while back
on our kratom gals live stream

780
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,840
when you were live in the chat,
you had talked about how you did

781
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,120
a little Recon.
You went to one of the local

782
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,600
smoke shops in your area because
you know, since more and more

783
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,560
people are learning about what 7
dot OH is, which is semi

784
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,600
synthetic.
It's not holy crate, unlike what

785
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:57,840
we consume, but it's it's super
popular these days and you know

786
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,120
a lot of people are like, OK,
I'm going to go see what this is

787
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,960
all about.
Let me go to my smoke shop and

788
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,720
see do are they selling this?
I went to a smoke shop nearby me

789
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:08,400
and I asked y'all.
I was out of curiosity if

790
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,400
they're carrying it because I'm
curious like is are people

791
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,840
starting to take this off the
shelves now because of all the

792
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,880
negative stuff that goes with
it?

793
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,240
And a nearby smoke shop says, Oh
no, no, we don't carry that

794
00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:20,680
stuff.
It's no, it's not good.

795
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,720
I was like, awesome.
That's.

796
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,320
Amazing.
Because because you know, it's

797
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,280
usually the other way around.
They want to make their money.

798
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,600
And so but now this guy was
like, no, and she even says

799
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,480
something like you can't even
really get them around here,

800
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,480
like like they're all taking
them off the shelves.

801
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,840
I'm like, whoa, but wait.
Tell us about what your thoughts

802
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,200
on Seven O 8 and then your
little Recon to the smoke shop.

803
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,840
Yeah, absolutely.
So I became aware of the seven O

804
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,760
eights from you guys.
I didn't even know it was a

805
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,040
thing.
And here we go again with taking

806
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,640
a natural product, ramping it up
and making it something that

807
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,600
it's not and now making it
dangerous basically, or making

808
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:03,520
it highly addictive.
And I for for years going and

809
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,240
getting kratom, I didn't either
I didn't pay attention to it or

810
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,720
they had such a small selection
of it that I just didn't see it.

811
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,600
But I definitely was never
pointed towards it.

812
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:15,960
OK, a couple months ago I went
to my shop and all of a sudden

813
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:23,880
half of the store is 7 O 8 and
the kratom supply is a fraction

814
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,720
of what it was.
And I'm just gobsmacked.

815
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,880
And I was like, holy cow, there
it is.

816
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,440
That's what they were talking
about.

817
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,800
And so I'm just looking and I've
made friends with the with the

818
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,640
worker girl.
She's just the biggest

819
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,560
sweetheart and cuz she'll tell
me what good brands they have

820
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,640
and she's an excellent customer
service.

821
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,480
And I was like, my gosh, you
guys have that.

822
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,040
And she looked at me and she's
like, don't.

823
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,600
And she was like, if you haven't
already done it, don't.

824
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:56,840
And, but basically they were
stuck on it that they had tried

825
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,240
it because it was new to the
shop.

826
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,640
And she was a creative user, a
regular powder creative user the

827
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,760
last time I talked to her.
And then now months later, she's

828
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,880
on the 708.
And she said that she told that

829
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,280
people come in for it
constantly, that it has taken

830
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:15,320
over their, you know, their
sales basically that that's what

831
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,120
people want.
But she said that it's, she said

832
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,680
it's so hard to get off of.
She said that she, she has not

833
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,520
been able to get off of it.
And she said that and she did,

834
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,160
she told me no.
And she said, if you haven't

835
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,040
tried it, she goes, we, we tell
you not to, you know, she's like

836
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,880
stick with the kratom.
And I had a lot of respect for

837
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,080
her.
She was like, basically like,

838
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,880
no, I'm stuck on it.
Don't you dare touch it.

839
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,600
And I was like, thank you.
And it was just mind blowing.

840
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,000
And it kind of made me sick a
little bit like, oh, this is and

841
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,720
I was in there for 10 minutes.
Three people came in and bought

842
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,240
just that.
Just that.

843
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:53,040
In 10 minutes. 10 minutes and
they were like you, they didn't

844
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,600
look like druggies or anything.
They didn't look like users and

845
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,120
you just but that's what they
bought.

846
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,640
And I was just like, OK,
interesting.

847
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,960
So this is this is a big deal.
Couple weeks ago, I went down to

848
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,960
Tennessee to visit a girlfriend
and I went on another little

849
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:11,560
Recon.
It's sad down there, hardly any

850
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,720
powder kratom.
It is all 70 H.

851
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:18,400
And every time I walked into a
shop and asked for the kratom,

852
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:22,240
they pointed me to the 70 H and
I was like, I don't want that.

853
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,520
And I was like powder.
And then they would point me to

854
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,000
this little bitty corner of like
two different types.

855
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,120
I mean, I was it, it was rough.
So I was like very disheartened

856
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,320
because it's like, this is going
to be harder and harder to find

857
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,160
this.
And now I see that this is

858
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,040
absolutely taking over.
It's being abused.

859
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,960
People are getting highly
addicted to it.

860
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:44,240
And it's not just giving kratom
a bad name, it's pushing kratom

861
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:46,680
out.
I mean, I had to, you know, I'm,

862
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,200
I don't know what I'm going to
do.

863
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,320
I'm going to have to get on some
of some vendors.

864
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,360
You know, I'm going to have to
find some different places

865
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,680
because my local are switching
over to seven.

866
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:00,160
OH, and it's scary.
It's scary to see that because

867
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,280
we're trying to get people off
of pharmaceuticals, you know

868
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:05,640
what I mean?
And here we go.

869
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,640
Let's just give you another.
Here's something that's

870
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,360
basically a pharmaceutical.
It just happens to be available

871
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,720
over the counter at the moment,
even though the FDA is like, no,

872
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,040
this needs to, we got to have an
end to this, but the DEA has to

873
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,720
do it.
So, you know, they recommend it.

874
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,760
The DEA, you know, ban it and
put it on schedule one.

875
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,720
DEA hasn't done anything yet.
And, you know, government moves

876
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:28,960
slow with things like this.
I don't think it should be

877
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,000
schedule one because schedule 1
means you can't research it.

878
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,600
And it sounds like it has
potential, but it needs to go

879
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,160
through the drug process.
And yes, that can take 10 years.

880
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,680
It could take billions of
dollars.

881
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,120
But do it.
Don't just put it on the market.

882
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,280
Give it drug names.
I mean some of the names for

883
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,920
these.
I saw, I saw it.

884
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,720
It's very indicative.
Yes, Yeah.

885
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,360
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, the good old, good old

886
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,880
days.
And and that's just it's a bad

887
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,640
look.
I mean, it's a bad look and it

888
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,640
gives kratom a bad name and and
I'm not knocking again if you

889
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,080
need pain relief and seven O 8
is what works for you.

890
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,840
You know, I'm not knocking that
whatsoever because I still feel

891
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,800
that that's better than the
alternative.

892
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:13,320
But at the same time, I've only
heard kind of the horror stories

893
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,400
and the fact that it's so strong
and, and the fact that the

894
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,880
withdrawals are so bad.
And, and again, I do, I'm a

895
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,640
heavy researcher.
So before I, you know, took the

896
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,560
kratom, I'd heard about it for
years and years.

897
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,880
And the person I'd heard it from
respectable, you know, good guy.

898
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,600
So and I have yet to see anyone
like that with the 708.

899
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,040
Not to be rude or anything, but
I haven't seen anyone come out

900
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,720
that I respect.
It's like, yes, you should take

901
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:39,800
this.
So I'm interested to see what

902
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,040
happens and and I really hope
that it doesn't create an entire

903
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,520
band, you know that just.
Well, you know, here's what's so

904
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,640
interesting.
So just a few years ago, right

905
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,840
before 70 H was on the market.
The negative thing would be the

906
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:59,200
extracts, which not as strong as
70 H, but stronger is taking the

907
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,120
whole leaf and isolate the
mitragynine, the one alkaloid

908
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,520
and and you know, making it
super strong and, and people got

909
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,080
addicted to it.
And we would always hear

910
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,000
negative things about kratom
because of that.

911
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,160
But then when there's that
negativity, it many times

912
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,600
communities when this is get
brought up to like a City

913
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,680
Council or a state legislator,
they look at all kratom.

914
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,720
They're like, OK, kratom is
kratom is kratom.

915
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:27,000
It's all bad, whereas no, the
powder's fine.

916
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,280
It's these extracts that some
people, not all, but some people

917
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,280
abuse and it gives it a bad
name.

918
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,960
And it's so interesting to watch
over these last two years that

919
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,040
prior for years, it was always
the extracts that give it the

920
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,520
bad name.
Now it's been the seven O and we

921
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,080
just watched it get more and
more and more.

922
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,440
And here we are recording this
in October 2025.

923
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,200
And that's all you hear about is
7.

924
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:57,680
OH and more bans for kratom have
cropped up this year than ever

925
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,480
and most times it's because of
the whole 7 O wage thing.

926
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,480
But you get these people in
communities that don't

927
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,560
understand there is not all the
same and they just think it's

928
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,840
all kratom and they want to just
ban all kratom.

929
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,520
Which is scary for us
responsible wholly consumers

930
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,160
because we're getting caught up
in the middle of all this.

931
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,920
It's kind of like back to the
war on drugs.

932
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,040
Responsible chronic pain patient
getting opioids.

933
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:25,280
You know, I researched, I
understand what I was getting

934
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,720
into.
I just didn't want to suffer in

935
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:29,280
pain so much.
I never abused my meds.

936
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,360
I never took too much.
I followed all the rules.

937
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:37,280
But that war on drugs affected
so many of us in the pain

938
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,200
community that didn't do
anything wrong.

939
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:45,560
And then we all lost access and
I feel like is this coming back

940
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,680
around We like in this like
cycle now.

941
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,400
And now here I find this plant
use it is great, is life

942
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,480
changing.
But wait a minute, here comes

943
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,200
the bad element to come over and
poo poo on it for all of us is

944
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,640
like, what the heck.
I I thought I'm set for life

945
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,280
now.
I got this amazing plant.

946
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,320
No, me too.
And yeah, I know I have to worry

947
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:09,000
about not accessing my medicine
and I mean that's a big fear.

948
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,040
And I mean, even with the we
talked about the tariffs and

949
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,320
stuff like that and just
regulations and controls, it's

950
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:19,720
out of our hands that affect us.
And it's like, I'm gonna go get

951
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:23,200
a kratom tree at this point.
It's like I gotta at least try

952
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,320
to be self-sufficient.
Give it a try.

953
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,360
Yeah, give it.
A try and the other thing real

954
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,320
quick is the problem we have is
these content creators that are

955
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,680
just using kratom for content
they're like oh what's this new

956
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,720
thing?
Let's try this 708 and then all

957
00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:38,280
of a sudden or the feel free.
Feel free.

958
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,240
Oh my gosh, that yes, 100%
somebody goes viral with the

959
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:44,000
feel.
Look, the feel free one with the

960
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,320
guy that went viral a few months
back when he got millions and

961
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,640
millions of views telling the
story of walking to the

962
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,560
convenience store and the kid
that stops him.

963
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,520
Well, you buy these, feel free.
He tried to steal my wallet,

964
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:54,600
blah, blah.
I don't even know if that's a

965
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,120
true story.
Honestly, the way he told it, it

966
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,760
didn't sound very truthful.
And they started that whole

967
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,520
propaganda machine and then all
these like Youtubers and Tik

968
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,160
Tokers, like I'm going to jump
on this and let me make a bit.

969
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:11,080
This happened like at least a
year ago, maybe a year and a

970
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:16,240
half ago, this girl made a video
about Feel Free and it went

971
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:18,280
viral.
It went crazy.

972
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,040
We showed it on the kratom gals
and then people jumped on it and

973
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,120
then it kind of died down.
But then you know.

974
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,240
You're so right.
This is what?

975
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,080
Happened is people looking for
views and clicks and they're,

976
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,720
they do they understand they're
messing with people's lives when

977
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:35,040
they're doing this.
They're giving this a bad name

978
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,080
nationally to to the media and
to the public.

979
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,760
And then we're like, I just want
pain relief.

980
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,320
Stop messing with my leaf.
So that's where I'm in the

981
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,760
comments, you know, advocating
and, and, and throwing elbows to

982
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,800
to advocate for us.
It's like, hey, we need this.

983
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,800
Like we are not abusers.
We are not druggies.

984
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,280
We are not junkies.
We are chronic pain patients who

985
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,240
have been neglected or kicked
at.

986
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:01,360
You know, I mean, there's,
there's reasons and like I had

987
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,560
commented once that I have an
extreme chemical sensitivity and

988
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,680
I can't take because they were
like someone in the comments

989
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,720
against the girl you guys just
want to hire or you just want.

990
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:14,560
And I was like, it's not even
about that at all.

991
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,800
I said, I'm, I have a chemical
sensitivity and I I can't take

992
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,320
medication.
And he said, oh, well, kratom's

993
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:21,520
a chemical.
It's that.

994
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,440
And I was like, correct,
correct.

995
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,440
But there's a difference between
natural and synthetic.

996
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,120
If we, if we want to go down,
I'll start to, you know what I

997
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:30,760
mean?
Like I'll go with you.

998
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,080
I know the difference, but
unfortunately, no, these people

999
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,640
are screwing with our lives
because it is just content to

1000
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,800
them.
It is views they're making money

1001
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,360
off of it and it is it's
becoming detrimental to us that

1002
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,560
depend on it.
And that's why like I'm gonna be

1003
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,520
like, OK, I'm gonna do a giant,
you know, EDS why we should take

1004
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,560
kratom and just kind of get out
there, you know, so that at

1005
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,680
least my video can be out there
too, that it can help counter

1006
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,200
that if you can look it up, it
can at least help counter.

1007
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,120
And people are like, Oh my gosh,
this girl look, she's not.

1008
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,720
If they can look me up you can
find out you know all my

1009
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:05,320
background, my history history
and and like OK she's legit and

1010
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,560
hopefully then I can help dispel
some of the BS propaganda.

1011
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,920
So.
Area we need more people like

1012
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,400
everybody watching this right
now.

1013
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,560
Be like that.
Be like area.

1014
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,680
Get your voices out there.
Make a video, talk about your

1015
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,800
experience, start a podcast.
You don't have to just do

1016
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,400
something.
Start something.

1017
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,920
At minimum, make a video or call
your your legislators and tell

1018
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,880
them there's a plant called
kratom.

1019
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,640
Whole leaf Kratom powder is
changed my life, please to keep

1020
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,760
it safe and legal, like do
something because if we're just

1021
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,440
complicit, we do nothing.
It could get taken away.

1022
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,320
And the way things have been
going in the world, we could

1023
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,040
wake up one day and they're
like, we're banning it for

1024
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,160
everybody.
Just like that and it and it's

1025
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,640
usually a financial reason, you
know, somebody's getting their

1026
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,080
pockets padded, you know, again,
big pharma, whatever it is, and

1027
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,480
we suffer.
So yeah, we have to stand up for

1028
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,440
ourselves and you can get
better.

1029
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:05,520
You know, if if we have, you
know, your gut, your gut tells

1030
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,520
you, you know, if you, if you
have a Doctor Who's not

1031
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,560
listening to you, who you know,
you've been with maybe for years

1032
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,440
or just going round and round
and you're not getting any

1033
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,440
better, get a new Doctor.
You know, try just get a

1034
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,520
different opinion maybe.
And also don't be afraid to

1035
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,840
advocate for yourself.
You know, I have a friend who

1036
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,280
she's had neck issues for and
she also takes kratom, but she's

1037
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,440
had neck issues for years and I
was like, well, what's wrong

1038
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:28,640
with it?
And she's like, I don't know,

1039
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,320
like, what do you mean you don't
know you should save my, my C4

1040
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,440
and my C5 or, you know, whatever
it is.

1041
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,160
And I, I explained to her, I
said, the fact that you don't

1042
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,080
know what's wrong with you is
why your doctors have never

1043
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,800
taken you seriously and why
you're just being passed and

1044
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,440
passed and passed.
And so now she wants me to help

1045
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,040
go through her medical records
and help her understand what's

1046
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,000
wrong with her so that she can
advocate for herself because

1047
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,160
these doctors are just tossed
some different drugs.

1048
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,120
You know what I mean?
It's just a marketing scheme.

1049
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:59,960
So I willingly will advocate for
people, and I'm happy to be here

1050
00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:04,080
and fight this fight with you,
Madeline, and everybody and to

1051
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,880
help people get out of pain, you
know, I mean, it's a love.

1052
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,640
Live life.
Live life, you know, I mean,

1053
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:10,160
there you go.
Yeah.

1054
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,520
That's awesome.
That's so great.

1055
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:13,880
I'm so glad I had you on the
podcast.

1056
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,640
This is a great conversation of
Raya.

1057
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,640
My last question, knowing
everything you know now about

1058
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,440
kratom, what advice?
And I know that you are helping

1059
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,720
people, like what advice are you
giving Somebody brand new

1060
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:26,160
doesn't know anything about
this.

1061
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,960
What do you tell them?
I would introduce them to it.

1062
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,320
First.
I would explain it to him where

1063
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:38,160
it comes from and my use of it.
And then I would explain to them

1064
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:39,960
how I feel like it could help
them.

1065
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:43,920
And then I would, I would share
it with them.

1066
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,600
I would start, you know, give
them a dose and see what they

1067
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:51,920
thought.
And because I've done that, I've

1068
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,240
done that for quite a few people
so far And, and it's, it's

1069
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:55,720
turned out good.
I did have one friend who he

1070
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:59,160
just wasn't interested in it.
You know, he, he wasn't into it

1071
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,720
and that's fine.
But be open, you know, again,

1072
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:05,320
if, if your, if your gut, if
your intuition is telling you

1073
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,200
that there's got to be more to
life or, you know, if there's

1074
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,920
something else out there, trust
that and don't be afraid to ask

1075
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:16,720
for help.
So, yeah, and, and just if don't

1076
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,080
be afraid to try it, you know, I
mean, if you're living in pain

1077
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,560
or if you're living with anxiety
or depression, and I mean, why

1078
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:24,920
not?
Why not give it a shot?

1079
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,280
So.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1080
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,040
This has been so great.
Arraya, thank you so much for

1081
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,520
coming on the podcast and
sharing your story.

1082
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,240
I know this has helped a lot of
people.

1083
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,680
I hope so Madeline, I really do
and thank you so much.