Ep 57: Beryl Higgins: From Cancer to Kratom, a Paramedic's Journey to Pain Relief

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I'm here with Beryl Higgins, who
I've met on TikTok.

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I still can't get over how many
amazing kratom consumers and

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advocates I meet on TikTok.
I never thought that's where so

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many of us would congregate.
But Beryl, I'm so glad I met you

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there.
I really love your content.

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You come on to my TikTok and
comment and it's great that

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that's how we met.
Yeah, I know.

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I'm super excited.
I think TikTok and I mean

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hopefully it doesn't get banned
or anything because obviously

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there's that talk, but it's
finding your community, right

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and being in that kratom
community.

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I definitely.
I actually found it through

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Misty I.
Believe Misty Brown.

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Yes, and then that just spiraled
into then finding you into

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finding Jordan and I just I love
it because I felt so want to say

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like isolated in a way, like I
only knew about kratom and that

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was it.
But hearing other people use it

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for so many amazing benefits
that it is, it just makes me

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feel a lot more like heard.
Yeah, well, you don't feel so

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alone, you know, with with this
journey, being able to connect

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with all these other great
people on TikTok as people talk

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about kratom very regularly over
there.

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And I love that.
Yeah, no, I'm.

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I'm hearing other people's
stories and being able to hear

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other people with almost like
the same story that I do.

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Like when I see you reply to
comments about people who use it

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for pain and all that stuff, I'm
like yes, I'm not the only one

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so.
Right.

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That's why I love this podcast
because I, you know, we all have

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our own unique story.
And while we have a lot of

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things in common with others, we
also had, you know, nobody has

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our very own story.
And it's just so validating to

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be able to share it out to the
world, but then also help other

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people.
But I guarantee you there's

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somebody listening to this right
now who's getting help by

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hearing your story.
And that's so powerful.

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Yeah, I really hope that
somebody can take, but I'm

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saying and take my story and be
like, this was the reason why I

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started a journey so.
That it happens, you know, so a

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lot of people do get on TikTok
to research and learn more about

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this, especially those in the
pain community that come from

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pain management like I did,
where they're looking for

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alternatives.
A lot of people are looking for

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healthier alternatives,
especially with plant medicine

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and discovering kratom.
And so that's why I think our

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message is so powerful.
So I'm eager to hear your kratom

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journey.
Let's start with you telling us

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a little bit about yourself and
life before kratom.

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So.
Well, right now I'm 28 years old

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and about, I want to say six
years ago already, I had ovarian

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cancer.
I got diagnosed with stage 1

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ovarian cancer.
And that was obviously a journey

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in itself and whatnot.
And because of everything, I

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started going to a pain clinic
that literally just shoved me

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full of pills and whatnot.
And I'm a medic.

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I'm a paramedic as well, and
being in the healthcare world

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itself, I've kind of learned in
a way that you kind of just take

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what they gave you and you deal
with that, right?

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And I did not like that because
I did not like how the payments

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made me feel.
I got so lazy because of them.

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I did not feel like myself.
I thankfully did not get

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addicted to them, but for how
much I was taking, I knew that

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that would be an issue down the
road.

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And I was luckily able to get
into remission and I was still

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dealing with chronic pain.
And they were just like, OK,

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just continue going to this pain
clinic.

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We'll keep giving you these
scripts and you'll be fine.

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And I almost got worried once I
did start going back to work a

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little bit that I would be able
to function normally on pain

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medication.
You know, we get drug tested

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when we start work for a reason.
So why should it be OK for me to

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be on oxycodone or whenever just
because I have chronic pain?

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So I needed to find an alternate
and right now we became a huge

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thing, especially in my state.
I live in Arizona and I, you

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know, obviously I thought about
it, but I could not do that

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because of my medical license.
So if I tested positive for it,

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that could end very badly for
me.

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So there was not very many
options.

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And I went on Google and I just
looked up plant or just pay Med

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alternatives.
And I came across after days of

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searching a Reddit page that
talked about kratom.

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And I started reading it.
And then I'm like, OK, well,

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maybe like, I don't know.
And then I just started kind of

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slowly researching more and more
into that.

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And there was finally one day I
was at my breaking point.

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I was in a lot of pain.
My payments were not doing what

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I wanted them to do anymore
because my tolerance had gotten

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up so much.
And finally went to that smoke

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shop that was close to me that
sold kratom and I tried it and I

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actually got sick off of it.
Like the first time was actually

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the first couple times I tried
it, I got sick off of it because

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I didn't know about the dosage
or anything like that.

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And I kind of gave up for a
little bit.

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And then I tried it again and I
messed with the dosage.

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And then I remember I was
sitting there and I was waiting

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to get that feeling that almost
like pain meds give you because

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it says that it messes, it deals
with your opioid receptors.

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I didn't get that feeling, but
then the more I just kind of

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waited, I realized my pain was
gone and it was just in that it

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was almost like a light bulb
moment.

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Like, Oh my gosh, what I
actually read online was true

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and this is something that I can
actually take.

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And then I just started taking
it and I love it.

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How long ago was that?
When did you start?

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I started five years ago.
OK, me too.

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Me too.
There's A and Misty Brown.

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There's a lot of us that we call
ourselves A5 year crew because

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we all started five years ago.
So that is so cool.

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When you said you first tried it
and you got sick and you know

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you had to figure out the dose,
you were just taking too much

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from the start.
I think so.

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I remember I got home, I opened
the bag and I, I took a

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spoonful, just a spoonful, and
then threw it back.

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And I yeah, I threw up within
like 30 minutes.

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Because usually when we usually
with like supplements, like

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powder supplements, usually it's
like a big scoop, right?

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Because that's how you, right?
And so I can totally see that.

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Whereas with capsules, I think
so many times when people are

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new and they just go to smoke
shop, they buy capsules and they

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say, well, Kratom doesn't do
anything for me because we're so

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conditioned from the healthcare
industry that you don't ever

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need more than one or two
capsules of something.

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But that's pharmaceuticals.
This is a plant, right?

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So that's so interesting.
Like because I can totally see,

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you know, I've been doing
smoothies forever and like

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putting all kinds of powder
supplements and you're just used

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to like a big scoop of it,
right?

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That's just normal.
I can totally see where that

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would happen to you.
How did you first hear about

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Kratom?
How did how did you find out

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about it?
Just from from Reddit?

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And just from Reddit, like I was
just doing Google searches

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because I knew that there had to
be something out there that was

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different than just let me just
take payments now because that

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was going to be my whole bike,
literally.

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And so again, it took a couple
of days to start, you know, I'm

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going feeds into that Google
search and it was just for my

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page.
Talk about beta.

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People use it for different
things.

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And then I just search crazy and
then I saw MTR news article

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about it and then I saw another
article about it talking about

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how it helped plus pain person
or personally had chronic pain.

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And then I saw it be used for
other things like withdraws from

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hard drugs.
And so I knew that it was

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something very powerful.
But it's like it's also to that

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point where you chip always
believe what you're rude on

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Internet.
And so I'm kind of skeptical at

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first.
It took me, I'm missing 3 weeks

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before I finally decide, OK, you
know what worst comes to worst?

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I waste $40 and it doesn't do
anything for me.

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So I was the same way in the
beginning.

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You know, I like, I, I bought
somebody said buy all three of

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the colors, a red, a white and a
green because you need to

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experiment and see what works
for you.

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So and I was thinking, well,
I'll just buy these.

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If it works, great.
If not, you know no worries.

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But same with me.
It took me several weeks to

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figure out that greens are the
only ones that work on me.

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I don't know why the Reds and
whites Whites make me way too

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jittery.
I still can remember the way I

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felt the first time I tried just
white and I felt like my

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eyeballs were just going like I
just, it was weird.

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It's like I had 10 cups of
coffee or something.

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It was just this too jittery
feeling.

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It helped my pain though, but
not enough where I felt

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comfortable, you know?
Because of this, the effects I

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was getting were not very
positive.

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The Reds did nothing for me.
People are like Reds are great

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for pain, it's great for
relaxing, it's great for sleep.

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They don't relax me.
It doesn't help me sleep and it

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didn't help my pain.
And I thought well this is

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weird.
So I almost gave up because I

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didn't even try the green till
last.

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OK.
And I'm like finally trying the

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green.
I'm like, Oh my gosh, this one

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works.
Did you like have to experiment

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with the different colors to
figure that out for yourself as

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well?
So I did a little bit, I

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actually got forgot what website
it was, but it was chart that

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had all the colors and then all
the different strays.

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So manga, Bali, Kapula, all the
different names, right?

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And then next to it, it showed
the benefits of all of those and

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desk when I learned Reds are
great shirt, you know, red in

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the bed, green for energy and
stuff like that.

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At first I did take a red
because I was so in my mind, I

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was so tired, I just wanted to
sleep.

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If it took my pain away, then I
can sleep.

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And I realized that yes, it took
my pain away, but I would just,

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I would almost be as lazy as I
was on the pain medication.

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So then I tried to green and the
green, which I think is so funny

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because that's the only thing I
take now, is only green because

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what I can do for a green is I
can actually take a little bit

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in the morning.
I don't take a full dose or

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anything, but I could take a
little bit in the morning and I

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get my energy.
And then at night I can take a

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little bit more, almost like a
full dosage or take a full

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dosage and then I can relax and
I sleep amazing.

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And so it's like, I just think
it's just so cool, you know,

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like I'm take a little bit, I
can get the energy that I need

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that the green does provide and
then I can take a little bit

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more and I can relax.
I have tried a white and I did

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kind of get that feeling.
I almost also kind of felt like

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I didn't know how to explain it,
almost like really jittery or

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like almost over anxious in a
way.

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Yes, that's what I felt too,
because I even what what I even

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did like since I'm five years in
as well, I went years of not

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ever doing white kratom ever
again, and I've done multiple

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vendors.
But then I had ordered, you

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know, some of my greens from
Jordan at New Hope botanicals

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and love them so much.
And I know you mentioned Jordan

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from TikTok and they always
throw in a sample, right?

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They always throw in a sample,
which is awesome.

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And so they had thrown in a
sample of a white.

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So all these years have gone by
and I'm thinking to myself,

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well, maybe I can add a little
bit of it.

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I won't do full, but I'll do
like my green and like maybe do

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a little less green and just add
the, you know, like maybe 1/4

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teaspoon or half a teaspoon of
the white instead, you know, to

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still be my usual dose, but
we'll put a little bit of white

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in there.
I thought, well, you know, maybe

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his white strain cream is
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So I did that.
I swear to God, for four hours.

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My right hand was just had had
just barely the shakes just a

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little like noticeable.
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react this way to the white?
And it wasn't even a full like

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it was just partial.
I, I made it into a blend and I

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just, I'm like, OK, obviously
whites are not for me ever,

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ever, ever.
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I next time I ordered from
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little comment section in your
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sample you send, please make it
a green.

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I'm like, let me be proactive
here because I just don't ever

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want to try white strain ever
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But a lot of people say they do
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strain.
So it's so individualized, but

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you don't know until you try it.
Exactly.

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Yeah, I think, you know, even
with not even just the colors,

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but there's different strains to
like I only like the I stick

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with bodies and maintenance
because I heard maintenance or

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Gracful pain that first started
and those are the only two

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strains that I will do because
any other strain that I have

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tried either doesn't feel like
take my pain away or I just feel

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off on them.
I don't know how to like that

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makes sense.
And so during my experimental

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phase, you know, I did try
everything that I possibly

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could.
The smoke shop that I did go to,

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they have their own in house
kratom that came from a

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reputable vendor.
And I ended up becoming really

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good friends with the owner of
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And he would give me free
samples, different ones, because

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he knew why I was starting to
take it and all that stuff.

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And that allowed me to kind of
try a little things, you know, a

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little 5g bags.
I can see how it works for me.

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If I like it, great, if I don't,
you know.

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So no, it was, it was
interesting for the experimental

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time even trying capsules, you
know, I tried capsules for a

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little while.
I did not get the same effect as

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the powder.
You know, I do a toss and wash.

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I don't know.
But like, I don't know if there

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is a difference.
I don't know, I'm going to be

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completely honest with you.
I don't know exactly how much I

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take.
I just know I'd do like little

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like a kids soon, a little bit
of that and do that two times

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and that's it.
So maybe, you know, with the

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capsule I just take as much or
whatever.

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But no, I experimented until I
found everything that lined up

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for me and I'm happy now.
And that's the way to do it.

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Well, I think, you know, with
you being somebody consuming for

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five years that you can easily
eyeball it and know what's that

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right amount, You know, when you
take it every day.

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I use a little teaspoon thing
and I do 2 teaspoons every six

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hours.
That's what works for me.

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But I think I'm at a point where
I could eyeball it, you know, if

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needed and, and know like how
much is the right amount?

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What's interesting with capsules
because I have talked to a lot

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of people about this to kind of
compare notes, because I did

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start with capsules because
everybody said in the beginning,

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oh, it tastes so bad, it's
gross.

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And I'm thinking, oh, I don't
want to like have some nasty

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tea.
I'd rather like take capsules if

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I could.
So I started with capsules and

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very quickly it's like, OK, this
didn't do anything.

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And a lot of people were saying
powder is better to go in the

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powder route, whether you toss
and wash or mix it up like swamp

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water like I do.
But something like that is

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better than the capsules.
And what I pretty much

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determined was for me, and a lot
of people say the same thing

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with the capsules, you're
ingesting all those capsule

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shells and they don't always
open up and dissolve, you know?

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And So what I always felt like
when I took capsules is it

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always felt like my stomach felt
heavy.

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I would feel nauseous and
bloated because again, it's a

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plant.
So you're having to consume

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quite a few capsules to equal
your powder dosage.

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So if I'm sitting here
consuming, you know, 2

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teaspoons, which is roughly 5
grams, well that could easily be

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10 capsules.
And like, who wants to have 10

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capsule shells sitting in your
stomach, number one.

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But then are they all opening up
fully?

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Whereas if you just consume
powder with a toss and wash or

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swamp water tea, that you're
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Right, exactly.
So I I got way better results

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and I know some people say poke
holes in your capsules.

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I tried that.
I did everything and it was just

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to no avail.
So I had to just suck it up

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because it tastes bad.
Some people like the you know,

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Jordan's mom from New Hope loves
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She has a TikTok.
He made a TikTok video of her

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tossing washing with no water.
No, like she likes the taste of

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it.
It is hilarious.

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It is.
I'll have to go get the link to

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that video and put in the show
notes because it is Rarely will

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you see anybody liking the taste
of that bitter powder.

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Yeah, I mean, when I first
started I definitely was looking

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up all these drinks that
definitely like hid the taste.

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So I chocolate milk was one,
orange juice, lemonade, stuff

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like that.
And now I can do it with just

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some cold water and I'm fine and
I don't really taste it but I

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cannot imagine just taking a
spoonful.

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Oh God.
No, I mean, when I started, I

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did orange juice, I did
chocolate milk.

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I tried all the things people
said chocolate milk is good for

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masking the taste and it did.
But I, for me, what I found back

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in the beginning is that kratom
worked better if I mixed it with

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orange juice rather than the
chocolate milk, if I did it with

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orange juice.
And I imagine it's because of

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the alkaloids.
People say adding citrus like

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lemons or, or orange juice can
activate the alkaloids to make

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them work better.
And I clearly in the because I

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kept a journal and that's what's
really helpful when you're new.

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So that way you can kind of
track.

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What all you're doing and
instead of trying to do it all

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from memory, and what I notice
is that if I did it, while the

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chocolate milk tasted better, it
didn't last as long.

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My pain relief didn't last as
long and it wasn't as effective

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overall.
But if I did orange juice, I got

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amazing pain relief and it
lasted longer.

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So I had to just suck it up and
like, you know what?

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For me personally, it's worth
the bad taste for the pain

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relief I get and I don't have to
have opioids anymore and I don't

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have to have gabapentin and
muscle relaxers.

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Like I was able to cut all of
that out, which is amazing.

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That yes, gabapentin, Oh my
gosh, that is my worst enemy

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right there.
That's so funny though, because

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though I run it online
somewhere, but like eating mango

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or adding mango juice or like
you said, citrus.

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And I've actually found that
before because I love mango.

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Yeah.
And I would take some and then I

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ate a mango and I did notice
really it was stronger and it

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lasted I longer.
Like I dose every four or six

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hours.
I dose depending on how bad my

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pain is and what I'm doing and
stuff.

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I it's ever reported six hours
and I noticed that I'm actually

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able to go Meyer like past the
six hours after I ate my mango.

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Really.
Yeah, and so now I I try to get

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mangoes my just so.
Cool, but it's so cool I forget.

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About it.
But you know what they call that

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is a potentiator.
And I did a lot of research at

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the beginning because people I
remember the first time I was in

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this Facebook group and they
were, and that's when I was

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researching kratom and they were
talking about potentiators.

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I had to go Google it.
I'm like, what are they talking

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about?
And it just means that it makes

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it stronger.
So I'm like, oh, that makes

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sense.
And they were people talk about

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different potentiators.
Some would say lemon, some would

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say orange juice.
There was a variety of things.

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Pickle juice.
That was that was the one too,

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pickle juice.
And so.

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So I did all this research on
these potentiators, trying to

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understand more about it because
so many people were talking

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about things like, oh, if I add
orange juice or lemons or pickle

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juice and turmeric, like there's
so many things that people

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talked about.
That made the kratom.

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Stronger so it worked better and
so I for a while when I was new

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to kratom, I was experimenting
because I was like, this is

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fascinating to me.
I already knew that orange juice

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worked really well for me, but I
tried the lemon thing and lemons

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did not make it any better for
me at all.

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I tried the pickle juice.
So that did.

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I mean, I try.
People even say geez is so

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interesting.
Have you heard of any of these

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before?
No, the only thing I heard was

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citrus.
So like things like almond,

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orange, stuff like that and
mango, that was the only thing.

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I have not heard of Mango, so
that I'm intrigued.

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Now I'm going to have to look
into that one because that's

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the.
First I've heard of that, It was

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also drinking it hot, like
assuming like a tea also works

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better or something so I mean I.
Haven't noticed the difference.

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I've.
Done it warm and I've done it

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cold.
And from I think it's very

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individualized.
We know with this plant it

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affects everybody differently.
So it's very possible that could

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help somebody more.
But I've tried it.

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I mean, I do the small border
method.

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That's just I don't want to do
toss and wash.

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I don't think I'd be very good.
I'm worried I'd choke on it.

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But I've done it cold, I've done
it warm, I've done it all.

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I've done the lemon juice is
sitting for long, for hours.

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You know, I've done it all these
different ways.

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What works for me is I usually
just whip it up about an hour

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ahead of time so it can just
naturally cool off a little bit.

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I add more my orange juice,
sometimes I add pineapple juice

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and I'm good to go.
When it lasts my six hours, it's

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great and it's finding what
works for you.

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But you got me definitely
interested in researching

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mangoes now.
Yeah, no, I I think that works

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great.
I just keep forgotting to get

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mangoes off the grocery store or
they're not in season so only a

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limited time.
Right, well, let's talk about

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like your experience with Kratom
since starting.

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So it's been helping your pain
just has it been helping your

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pain more than the pain meds did
or like the same or how how's

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that been working out?
Yeah.

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So I definitely think it has
helped me the same.

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But the one thing that I had
noticed, and I think anyone

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who's been on payments can
relate to this is where you

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only, you know, you're supposed
to take one payment every four

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to six hours or you know,
depending on how bad your pain

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is and whatnot.
And I would take one and I would

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didn't be in pain again within
two hours.

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So then I'm waiting for the
other two hours or the other 4

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hours so I could take one again.
So I'm not double dosing or

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anything like that.
But with Kratom, I'm not in pain

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for a very, you know, a long
pain of time for six hours or so

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when I start feeling just a
little bit of pain, like start

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coming back, just a little bit
of discomfort, I go ahead and I

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take some Kratom and that's
usually around the floor to six

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mark, depending on, you know, my
lady days and stuff like that.

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Even the weather has apparently
has something to do with my

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pain.
I don't know, but just depending

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on how bad that day is, it's
every four to six hours.

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But the one thing that I
noticed, and like I mentioned

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before, I can take a little bit
and I can, for example, clean

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the house and I'm completely
silent for all of those hours

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and I have the energy and then
you know, I take a little bit

445
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,840
more when I'm done and like I'm
happy.

446
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,160
I don't have any issues
whatsoever.

447
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:04,600
I also noticed when I was
working that I can take some the

448
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,840
start of my shift and if I had
to I would take some in the

449
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,960
middle of my shift.
But me being at work, you know

450
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,520
my mind's there.
My mind's not really on my pain

451
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,880
or anything.
And I have noticed before where

452
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,080
if I take some before my shift,
I can go that full 12 hour shift

453
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,840
or 10 hour shift without having
to take any.

454
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,840
And then as soon as I get home
and I take a shower, it does

455
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,640
kind of hit me like a train, you
know, on the pain starts coming

456
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,080
back like crazy.
But then I just take something

457
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,120
that I collapse, you know, and
then I've done for the rest of

458
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:41,480
the night and I sleep amazing.
So it's definitely from the pain

459
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,240
meds.
It was for a very amount of

460
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,400
time.
I didn't want to overdose or not

461
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,880
overdose, but double dose on my
pain meds just because my pain

462
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,800
came back in two hours.
You know, I want I was me being

463
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,120
in the medical field.
I wanted to do everything book

464
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:03,320
perfect, if that makes sense,
and so I was waiting exactly

465
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,240
those four to six hours
depending on how high of pain

466
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,680
dose I had.
But with this, I can mess with

467
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,520
it.
If I do have a bad pain day,

468
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,320
sometimes I take a little bit
more than I normally do and then

469
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,160
I'm good.
So I think that's awesome.

470
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,200
That's great is finding what
works for you.

471
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,960
It is great that you've got it
all figured out.

472
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,080
Does it help you with things
other than just pain relief?

473
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,600
You're talking about you like
you get the energy boost.

474
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,680
Yeah, it helps me.
It gets, like I said, during the

475
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,840
day I take a little bit less and
I get that energy boost.

476
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,720
I have that want to go out for a
walk.

477
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,280
You know, when I first started
taking kratom, I never did

478
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,520
walks.
I can't even stop them going on

479
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,560
a walk.
And after I started taking

480
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,720
kratom, I was going to walks
almost every day, twice a day

481
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,240
because I had that energy.
It also really helps with my

482
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,600
mind.
I focus a lot better.

483
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,760
I've noticed that at work I came
to like focus in a lot more and

484
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,760
I'm a little bit more like on my
sheet, which I think is.

485
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,560
Awesome.
That's great.

486
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,960
Yeah.
And I mean, I can imagine how

487
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,120
much that helps you with, you
know, you work with your shifts.

488
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:18,120
And stuff and being able to, you
know, take care of people and

489
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:21,800
not be worrying about your pain.
But then also how?

490
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,200
You get the, the energy boost
and, and so many people talk

491
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,320
about the mood boost they get
from it.

492
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,200
I just think of it as like a
pharmacy inside of a plant, you

493
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,800
know?
I mean, the one thing that I

494
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:40,160
kind of struggled with even when
I started taking this was almost

495
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,480
like I saw how much weed was
getting popular and how people

496
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,680
were going crazy about weed and
how amazing it can be.

497
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,560
And I believe it.
You know, I've seen cancer

498
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,160
patients who I've sat next to in
chemo.

499
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,720
Do they tell me about their weed
and stories and all that stuff.

500
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,880
But how when I wanted to talk to
other people about it, they

501
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,480
would look up item and they
would automatically see all

502
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,120
these negative side effects that
I've never had an issue with.

503
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,440
And then they automatically
judge because then they also

504
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,200
see, oh, it's that opiate
receptor.

505
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,040
So you're just doing it just to
get high.

506
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,760
I don't get high.
You know, I I feel better, but I

507
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,200
don't, I guess connect that into
a payment high.

508
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,160
And you've been on payments.
You kind of understand that

509
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,440
payment high versus just a
little feeling good on Kratom.

510
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,680
It doesn't mean that I'm high.
You know, it just yeah, that

511
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,400
mood boost.
I'm happy I have that energy.

512
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,200
I'm doing stuff.
And so when I did try to tell

513
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,600
some people about it, it was
almost like I was being shamed

514
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,040
for it because like I said, they
would go to Google and they

515
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,880
would see the negative side
effects and tell me how I

516
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,160
shouldn't be doing it.
And I need to try to find, you

517
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,720
know, just deal with pain meds.
But why not try?

518
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,880
If something works for you, why
not do it?

519
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,640
I don't want to be, as much as
I'm all about medicine and, you

520
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,640
know, that's my whole career and
whatnot.

521
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,040
I don't want to be changed for a
pharmaceutical company or just

522
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,120
the pharmacy in general for the
rest of my life where it wasn't

523
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,680
really doing anything.
It wasn't helping my life.

524
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,720
You know, they always talk about
when you go to the pain clinic

525
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,720
or to your doctor, how's the
pain accepting your life?

526
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,480
Well, yeah, it affects my life.
And such an angered web where,

527
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,000
you know, I'm crying in bed.
I can't do anything that day.

528
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,080
I'm not happy.
All of that stuff.

529
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,440
But the pain meds, it doesn't
help me do things around the

530
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,080
house.
It doesn't help me focus.

531
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,320
It doesn't help me think that I
want to live a happy life.

532
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,080
It just takes away the pain.
That's it.

533
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,400
So.
Plus, there's all the side.

534
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,120
Effects you can have with
opiates that we don't have with

535
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,800
kratom.
Exactly.

536
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,720
Like #1 being if you take too
much your breathing will stop

537
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,040
with opiates.
That doesn't happen with kratom.

538
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,240
No, I think, and that was
another thing was working in the

539
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,120
ER and stuff, we would get a lot
of overdoses, especially once

540
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,560
fentanyl became a huge game in
our community here.

541
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,160
I live in Tucson and I'm right
next to the Mexican border, so

542
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,280
we have a pretty big crisis that
happens here in Tucson and

543
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,080
seeing all these opiate
overdoses and whatnot happened

544
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,280
even before fentanyl became a
thing.

545
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,520
I was still seeing heroin
overdoses and stuff like that in

546
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,240
the ER that that's what made me
want to be so book perfect

547
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:40,560
because I would feel almost like
I failed my medical community

548
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,480
out of way if I did get addicted
or if I did have an accidental

549
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,400
overdose or something like that.
And I just, I didn't want to be

550
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,560
like that, you know?
But with creatine, if I take too

551
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:57,160
much, the one thing I notice is
my eyes do that like or whatever

552
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,280
you want to call it.
Or I just throw it up and then

553
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,640
I'm like, OK, that's it, you
know?

554
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,240
Well, kratom is in the same
family as coffee, so it makes

555
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,800
sense to me that too much, you
know, of it could make you a

556
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,640
little jittery or or you know,
feel like you're over

557
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,600
caffeinated.
And you know, to me, that makes

558
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,720
sense.
I understand your frustration

559
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,080
when people go and Google kratom
and they get all that

560
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,720
misinformation and propaganda.
You were lucky that when you

561
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,960
Googled it, you found good
information and you had a very

562
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,960
positive experience because even
five years ago when I started

563
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,000
and I was researching, there was
a lot of negative stuff I came

564
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,160
across.
So I'm glad that you saw the

565
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,120
positive, but people are just
not educating themselves.

566
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,720
I think when they read like you
were saying before, when they

567
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,680
read that kratom works on the
opioid receptors, everybody just

568
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,280
I guess thinks they're a medical
doctor now and they think that

569
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,760
that equals is an opioid and it
doesn't.

570
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,720
Do they not know that like she's
go to your opioid receptors,

571
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,200
Like all these things that we
ingest every day hit on the

572
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,360
opioid receptors, People don't
realize that it doesn't mean

573
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,200
it's an opioid.
Right.

574
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,960
Yeah, no, the one thing.
Or not the one thing, but yeah,

575
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,400
it was automatically being
connected or oh, kratom's just a

576
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:21,800
legal opiate and no, it's not.
Or kratom can cause seizures or

577
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,040
it can cause deaths and all of
that stuff.

578
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,200
But when you actually do the
research on it, any death that

579
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,840
was linked to kratom, they had
something else in the system and

580
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,920
it's probably them trying to get
that high.

581
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,040
You know, I don't know.
And I'm not here to judge

582
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,760
anything.
And that's very sad.

583
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,480
But just because they have
kratom in the system doesn't

584
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,720
mean that they over they died on
kratom.

585
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,680
I do believe that is a very safe
plant that if you use it

586
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,360
properly, then it can be amazing
for you.

587
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,240
There was I took a year or I
took two years off of kratom.

588
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,640
I recently just started again
back in July actually, but

589
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,920
because I started having some
kidney issues and my doctor told

590
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,400
me that, oh, it's he, you're
taking kratom.

591
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:15,120
So I stopped taking kratom and I
was then again back on that

592
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,080
pharmaceutical journey of mine
that I was not happy about

593
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:24,239
whatsoever.
And I almost, I didn't solely

594
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,080
want to believe that the issue
because of my kidneys.

595
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,920
Turns out it wasn't.
It was because of all of the

596
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,920
medication I was thrown at
before I got diagnosed with

597
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,480
ovarian cancer that they didn't
know what was wrong with them.

598
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,159
So they were just throwing brand
of medication at me.

599
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:44,560
And so that ended up ruining my
kidneys and wow, to kind of go

600
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:48,800
back to that doctor and be like,
no, it's, I promise you it's not

601
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,560
kratom.
But of course doctors and people

602
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:56,199
in the medical field, I mean,
they get somewhat of, I don't

603
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,240
want to say it kickback or
anything like that, but they get

604
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:02,760
told, hey, you have to follow
this.

605
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,320
You have to take these meds and
you'll be fine and you'll be

606
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,440
fair.
And they don't like it when you

607
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,680
go off the path of your own and
try to figure things out on your

608
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,480
own.
And that's also another thing

609
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,000
that I kind of realized that
being on my creative journey was

610
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,920
how doctors automatically you
tell them that you're not afraid

611
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,800
of them.
It's the worst thing they ever

612
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,320
heard.
You could be telling them you're

613
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,240
doing heroin.
It probably kind of that's a

614
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,360
little bit better.
So that's, it was really

615
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,760
interesting just to kind of see
for me being in medical

616
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,640
community, finding Kratom out,
trying to tell them from a

617
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,800
medical standpoint why this is
amazing, why it works for me,

618
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,120
why I don't want to do pain meds
and nerve blockers and all that

619
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,920
stuff.
And then on the other side,

620
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,040
fighting it because they did a
Google search of it or they just

621
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:57,040
did that propaganda pretty much.
I always send when people like

622
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,080
in the medical profession or
just people that want to learn

623
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,200
more about the science, I send
them to kratomanswers.org.

624
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,880
That's a website put together by
the American Krame Association

625
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,280
and is is more about the science
and facts on kratom.

626
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,600
So I think that's always a good
starting point to send people

627
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,560
that are trying to understand
kratom.

628
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,320
I have never had anybody in the
medical profession that I've

629
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,480
been around that even knew what
it was.

630
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,480
Now the first few years I took
kratom, I never mentioned it to

631
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,560
a doctor.
I just wasn't comfortable yet.

632
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:32,240
But over time I decided to let
doctors know that this is what I

633
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:33,680
take.
Like I don't take opioids

634
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,280
anymore.
I take I utilize a plant and and

635
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,640
able to take charge of my own
health with it.

636
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,560
And I have not had any
negativity from that luckily.

637
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,880
But also, I'm in a big city and
if I need to fire a doctor, I

638
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,120
will because I'm not going to
let somebody in the medical

639
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,480
profession that doesn't know
what kratom is try to dictate to

640
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,160
me what's best for me because I
don't want to go back to

641
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,120
opioids.
I will if I have to.

642
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,160
But I think kratom gets a bad
rap like you were saying, like

643
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,240
they always want to assume
something's wrong with us is

644
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:10,280
because of kratom.
And that always seems to be

645
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:15,600
blamed with everything.
And it's interesting that you

646
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,520
were able to show that that's
not what it was and able to go

647
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,440
back to kratom.
Did it enlighten the doctor at

648
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,440
all when y'all were able to
figure out that it was not

649
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,200
kratom?
Not really.

650
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:33,680
You know, I did my research and
I woke up the medications that I

651
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:39,160
was on before and you know,
obviously I would say 8 out of

652
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,840
10, it was these can cause
kidney damage or the amount of

653
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:49,240
ibuprofen I was taking can cause
kidney damage, you know, and

654
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,120
when I did try to tell him about
it, it was, Oh no, no, no, like

655
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,480
he just did not want to hear it.
I didn't care if I showed him

656
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,720
exact sign like you said from
American Kratom Association, it

657
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,640
would not matter to him.
I've also had an experience

658
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:10,520
where I recently was telling a
friend of mine that about kratom

659
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,160
and whatnot and they
automatically I sent them.

660
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,840
I, I even believe I sent them a
page from your website about

661
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,680
kratom and stuff like that.
And I send a bunch of different

662
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,760
links on why I take it and how
this is amazing and whatnot.

663
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,040
And automatically, Oh well,
that's just a cult.

664
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,880
Like obviously it's just a
biased opinion.

665
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,240
They're going to say that no
matter what because they're on

666
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:35,240
it.
No, just read it.

667
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,960
Like I promise you, it's not
what you think it is.

668
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,600
So you know the reason the top
kratom researchers in the

669
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,080
country do not consume kratom?
They're totally unbiased and

670
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,760
their research shows that is not
dangerous, that it's not killing

671
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,960
a lot of people, that it is
almost always Poly drug use when

672
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,360
there is a death and that kratom
gets blamed when it turns out

673
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,680
that they had heroin in their
system or fentanyl or all these

674
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,560
other drugs.
There was even a reported kratom

675
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,120
death years back.
The dude had a shotgun blast to

676
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,320
the chest, but they called it a
kratom death.

677
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:18,360
So it just really shows you the
level of either stupidity or

678
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,080
corruption, you know, and take
your pick.

679
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,520
I mean, there, it's like it's
ridiculous.

680
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,600
And that's why we need more
advocates in the world like us

681
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,680
that are talking about this plan
and normalizing it.

682
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,080
And with you being in the
medical community, you know, you

683
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,160
have that opportunity to educate
like you were just telling with

684
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,400
that story and educating
somebody in the field.

685
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,400
Do you feel like it's just you
just keep hitting a brick wall

686
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,320
in the community, just trying
the medical community?

687
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:51,160
Right now I do.
There's one doctor that I worked

688
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,840
with a while ago in the ER.
Who actually saw me take some?

689
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:01,400
I was in my little corner and he
saw me take some and it was the

690
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,000
middle of my shift and whatnot.
And I quickly was like, Oh no,

691
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:07,160
bring vitamins, nothing, you
know?

692
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,080
And he recognized the bag and
he's like, no, that's for

693
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,680
freedom.
And he was the only doctor and

694
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,320
any other medical professional.
So nurses, Techs.

695
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,360
Pharmacy tests, all of that
stuff.

696
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,800
He knew what it was and he was
actually open to it.

697
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,480
He's like, I don't know much
about it, but I know I seen some

698
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,920
of my patients come in here and
like we'll say like drug addicts

699
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,080
who use it for withdraw and I
seen them change for the better

700
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,040
because they said they were
starting to take kratom.

701
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,080
So he you know, he's like, I
don't have enough information to

702
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,440
speak on it, but I said how to
figure paying do it.

703
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:50,120
So that was the one person who
accepted me for me, I guess.

704
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,120
But other than that, I didn't
try to talk about it.

705
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,080
But even I work on that.
I just recently worked on a

706
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:03,560
chiropractic office and he is
completely anti like 100% all

707
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:08,280
about ballistic stuff.
And he didn't know about kratom.

708
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,160
And, you know, I kind of talked
about it with him a little bit

709
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,040
just because I know that he was
in the holistic community and

710
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,360
whatnot.
And, and he again, he looked it

711
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,840
up.
I tried to send him some links

712
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,560
about it and he just
automatically owned Google.

713
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,200
The first thing, you know, death
hit me family.

714
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,240
You're like all of this stuff.
He's like, Oh no, no, I would

715
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:35,000
never like, but yet take all
these supplements that honestly

716
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,360
don't have any FDA research on
it.

717
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,280
And you think that's fine, but
you won't do any research on the

718
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,240
kratom so.
I think, you know, in your case,

719
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:47,520
you're just able to show through
example like how great you're

720
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,280
doing and they've got it.
The people that you work with in

721
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,200
the medical profession, you've
got to see like how great you do

722
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,080
considering your history with
pain, with cancer, with all the

723
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,800
things you've been through over
the years.

724
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,760
Like in my case, I'm not in the
medical profession, but like my

725
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,080
primary care physician is so on
board with the she doesn't know

726
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,800
about Kratom.
And several years ago when I,

727
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,000
she was a newer primary care for
me.

728
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,160
So I just started from day one.
I was just going to inform her

729
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,640
that by the way, I take a
botanical supplement called

730
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,960
kratom so I don't have to take
opioids anymore.

731
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,880
And it's already in my chart,
you know, it shows in the chart.

732
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,920
So she can clearly see that I
have degenerative disc disease.

733
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,560
I have all, all the different
things and that I have been

734
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,280
treated and knows nine years of
pain management.

735
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,200
So, you know, it's all available
for her to access.

736
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,080
So with me going to her either
once or for a while doing twice

737
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,520
a year, I just go once a year
now.

738
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,520
But she could see through me how
well I'm doing and I would

739
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,960
always make a point to remind
her that I consume Kratom, which

740
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:55,240
is just a plant and she was one
time she goes, I'll have to look

741
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:57,560
into that.
Where should I go online?

742
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,040
And I gave her Crater basers.org
and she even wrote in the chart

743
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,040
because when I went into the my
chart to see her notes and even

744
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,920
showed that.
And I felt like that's my way of

745
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,000
advocating in the medical field
is to normalize it, to educate

746
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,720
them so that the next time she
hears about it, she's going to

747
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:17,120
Remember Me.
I'm like, yeah, I have this

748
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,160
patient that does really well,
and she doesn't take pain beds

749
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,000
anymore.
She's been using this planet for

750
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,560
five years.
And every time I see her, she

751
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,040
looks great.
Her labs are always great.

752
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,840
I've never had any lab issues
since I've been consuming

753
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:30,520
kratom.
What?

754
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,200
What about you?
The only thing I have issues

755
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,960
with my I'm anemic and I have an
iron deficiency but other than

756
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,840
that since I went into since I
went into remission from cancer

757
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,200
my lags have looked always been
perfect like I've never had an

758
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,520
issue.
Every time I go and get my

759
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,800
vitals done, perfect everything
perfect so I've never seen an

760
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,160
issue.
That's correct.

761
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,720
Well, I'm so glad you're on your
mission and you've been through

762
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:01,240
a lot in your life.
I'm so glad we met on TikTok and

763
00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:03,040
having you come on here and
Share your story.

764
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,200
So you're like me, been
consuming kratom for five years.

765
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,560
My last question is knowing
everything you know now about

766
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,200
kratom, you know a lot.
What advice would you give to

767
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,360
somebody who was just starting
out?

768
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,120
Now they're researching it and
like helping them.

769
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,960
I know starting is so hard for a
lot of people, So what advice

770
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,440
would you share?
The one thing I would say what I

771
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,560
did was find a gun website that
shows the different colors, the

772
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,440
different strands and exactly
what you're looking for.

773
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:39,080
And then just if you can buy
little 5G bags of different

774
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,720
strands, different colors and go
from there.

775
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,800
Test your dosage.
Don't take too much at once.

776
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,240
Take just a little, you know,
teaspoon of it.

777
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,640
Wait a little bit, like wait 30
minutes, see how you feel.

778
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,480
Can you take a little bit more?
Do that.

779
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,120
If you know you did take too
much, you're probably going to

780
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,080
throw it up like I did.
But definitely start slower than

781
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,040
going big or go home.
And I would just say test what

782
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,920
works best for you.
Little 5 grand bags are not that

783
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,440
expensive and just see what
works best for you.

784
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:17,000
But my biggest thing is research
what colors might be best for

785
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,960
you and then what strain and
then what that strain might do

786
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,160
for you.
Try it, if it doesn't work for

787
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,280
you then go on to the next one.
That's all excellent advice,

788
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:28,720
Barrel.
Thank you so much for coming on

789
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:30,360
the podcast and sharing your
story.

790
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,200
I know this will help so many
people.

791
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:35,080
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm really excited that I was

792
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,080
able to actually finally share
my story and someone like, you

793
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,280
know, I just, I'm so happy and
thankful for that.

794
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,280
So thank you so much.
Thank.

795
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:50,360
You thank you for listening.
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796
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,240
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797
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:54,800
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