Ep 86: How Dan Pitta Discovered Pain Relief and a Mission to Help Others

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Back then there wasn't a lot of
information about kratom

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available, but I saw, I think it
was probably in a Reddit group

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or something, somebody was
talking about it.

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So I decided to give it a try.
I found a company that was

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selling it.
I bought some and I took in it.

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It worked.
It, it, it immediately, you

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know, but obviously once it once
it started to get into my

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system, but, but within about 45
minutes or so after taking my

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very first dose, I started my
research.

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I felt like I was pretty
comfortable with what I had

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learned at that point.
And I started buying more and

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and before too long my Co
workers were asking me why I was

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moving so differently because
they were used to seeing me get

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out of the truck and stiff
hunched over just, you know,

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visibly in some kind of
discomfort every time I would

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see them.
I'm here with Dan PETA from

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Metrospect.
I had his wife Sarah on recently

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episode 79 of the Crane Stories
podcast.

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And now it's time to hear from
Dan.

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Dan, thank you so much for
coming on the podcast today.

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Thanks for having me on I'm I'm
very excited.

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Absolutely.
Well, Sarah had a very

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interesting story about kratom
and I know you do as well.

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And I love that the two of y'all
are like the dynamic duo behind

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Mitrispac is a great brand.
I'm so glad that I've gotten

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connected with you all.
Oh, thank you very much.

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I appreciate that.
And yeah, our stories really

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started together.
As Sarah mentioned, I was

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working as a truck driver.
This was back in.

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Well, I mean, I was injured
probably in the mid 2000s, like

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2007, somewhere around there.
And I had a couple of herniated

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discs from a work accident.
And I eventually got my truck

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driving license, started driving
trucks and then realized that,

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you know, constantly bouncing up
and down in the sea was really

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wreaking havoc on the injury
that was healing, but not all

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better.
So I, I just kind of dealt with

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it for a while.
There was a couple of times that

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I had to, you know, go on
disability, you know, short term

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disability to, you know, take
muscle relaxers and all kinds of

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things to, to help with it.
But for the most part, I just

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dealt with the pain for a really
long time.

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And then around 2013, I started
looking for something, you know,

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to, to make this better.
Since I was a truck driver, I

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was subject to dot drug testing,
employer drug testing.

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So I couldn't take anything
illegal.

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I couldn't take even prescribed
drugs.

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Some of them interfere with your
ability to operate machinery.

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So they don't let you drive a
Class A tractor trailer while

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you're taking a bunch of, you
know, Percocets or anything like

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that.
So, so I had to find something

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that, you know, a wouldn't fail
me for a drug test, but BI that

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I felt, you know, I, I would be
able to safely operate a vehicle

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while taking it.
And I started going to the

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Internet.
I was just searching for

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different things.
I've always been kind of

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experimental.
Whenever I, you know, see

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something new, I like to look
into it.

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And if I think it's fine, that
might help me.

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I'll, I'll try it out.
So back then there wasn't a lot

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of information about creating
available, but I saw, I think it

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was probably in a Reddit group
or something, somebody was

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talking about it.
So I decided to give it a try

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and found a company.
I didn't, you know, honestly, at

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that time, I didn't really do a
lot of research into it.

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I, I didn't realize how much
there was to it when I started.

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So I found a company that was
selling it.

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I bought some and I took in it.
It worked it, it, it

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immediately, you know, but
obviously once it once it

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started to get into my system,
but, but within about 45 minutes

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or so after taking my very first
dose, I realized that this was

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the thing that I was looking
for.

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And that's when I started
looking more into it and to make

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sure that it, you know, it was
reasonably safe and I wasn't

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trading one problem for another.
So I started my research.

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I felt like I was pretty
comfortable with what I had

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learned at that point.
And I started buying more and,

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and before too long, my
coworkers were asking me why I

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was moving so differently
because they're used to seeing

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me get out of the truck and
stiff hunched over just, you

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know, visibly in some kind of
discomfort every time I would

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see them.
And they started noticing that I

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didn't have that posture.
I was more upright and I was in

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a better mood.
I was more energized running,

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you know, running, running
around the truck to do my, my,

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my straps and everything.
And so they, they noticed and

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they asked me, you know, what I
was doing differently.

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And I told them about kratom,
started bringing in samples for

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the guys at work to try.
And you know, after not too long

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of, of doing this, it just
spread this.

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Everybody that tried it seemed
to like it and they told other

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people about it.
And so I ended up starting the

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company that way and, and along
the way, you know, once I got

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that first package and, and saw
how much it was helping me, you

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know, naturally I, I talked
about it with Sarah.

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I told her what I was planning
on doing from the very

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beginning.
But when I saw how much it

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affected me, it was obvious that
there were lots of aspects of

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our lives that could be improved
if we were, you know, dealing

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with less aches and pains and
more energized and more

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motivated and seemed to do all
of those things for us.

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So we both enjoyed it and and
eventually started our company.

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That is so interesting.
You know, pretty much every

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kratom company I've gotten
connected with at where I

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purchased my Kratom from or have
gotten to know just from

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interactions and social media is
so much like your and Sarah's

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story where you'll discover
kratom.

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It's amazing.
It helps you tremendously.

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You tell other people about it,
you advocate for it, and then

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it's like turned it into a
business.

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It is so interesting like to me,
those are the kind of companies

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I love being associated with.
That's like you, you, you see

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how much it helps you and other
people around you and let's

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continue helping by having our
own kratom business.

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So I think that's amazing.
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And that was a really important
factor in us being able to keep

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the company going because, I
mean, naturally every business

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has its fence of challenges.
But this I, I mean, I, I tried

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to start other businesses that
failed.

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I didn't care enough about what
I was trying to do.

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I, I always wanted to be, you
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entrepreneur.
I hated working for other people

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and having other people have
control over my life and my

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finances.
So it was always something that

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I was interested in doing.
But you know, kratom

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specifically, that just kind of
happened by accident.

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But as we started, you know,
building the company, as any

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other owner will say, it's it's
a nightmare.

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A lot of times we had shipments
received by the FDA during the

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salmonella scare.
You know, I was, you know,

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running it at the time of the
2016 DEA emergency scheduling.

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That was only about a year into
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And I was actually starting to
like really grow the business.

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And then all of a sudden this,
you know, I, I get this e-mail

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saying, Hey, look out for this.
And I, I got really worried

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naturally, both because of my
own access to it and, and also

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all the people that I, you know,
had had met and, and referred,

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you know, Kratom to.
So it has a lot of challenges,

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but the fact that like at least
once a week we get an e-mail or

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a note on an order or just a
really nice review that lets us

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know that we've changed people's
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It makes it worth it to fight
through those challenges to keep

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it going.
And that's what I was missing

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when I was trying to, you know,
one of a power washing company

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and a web design company those I
just wasn't as passionate about

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that as I was about kratom.
Once I found how much it changed

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my life, it completely, you
know, changed my ability to

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provide for my family.
So and I knew there was other

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people out there like me that
would be able to benefit from

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it.
And, and now that I've met them

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and help them, it's, it's the
driving force.

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I love that and and the passion
you and Sarah have with much

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respect really shows in
everything you you both do.

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I love that.
So let's go back to when you

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first discovered kratom.
So you said you were just doing

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some research and and was it
like a, and you mentioned

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Reddit.
Was it a specific Reddit post or

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do you remember like what was
the exact thing where you like

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first learned about Kratom?
I, I honestly don't, I remember,

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I, I could probably give you a
better idea of what the search

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terms I used were and that I
believe it was something like

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back pain relief, no drowsiness,
not illegal, won't fail drug

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test or something along those
lines.

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Very, very similar.
And I don't remember how far

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down in the search results
kratom might have been, but I

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know I didn't spend too long
after typing in that search

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phrase.
I didn't spend too long before I

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found the word kratom and then
started looking into it.

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And I, I want to say it was
probably through originally.

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Like the information that I got
on it was probably through like

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arrow it or something, you know,
whenever I would hear about some

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new substance that people are
using, I'd always go there and

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and check like the experience,
you know, still the stories.

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And so that's probably where I
first got my information on

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kratom, but I don't remember the
actual like search result, like

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my very first introduction to it
and what page it was.

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Well, that was some time ago.
I mean, I, I mean, I'm realizing

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like I'm asking you like
something that happened like in

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2013.
So I mean, that was a long time

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ago actually, when we're 2025
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I just find it so interesting
how people discover kratom.

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For me, it was through the
documentary A Leap of Faith that

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came out in 2019 and it, it came
out on Netflix, which I was just

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so grateful for because I just
had lost access to my pain

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management cause doctors are
scared to prescribe.

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And I was trying to find like,
what would be that alternative?

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What could I take that would
give me pain relief?

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And I, I really was convinced
there'd be nothing that would

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work better than the opiates.
Like, 'cause I have really

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debilitating chronic pain, it
doesn't show 'cause I feel so

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good because of cranium powder.
But I really thought I'd have to

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go to the streets and go find a
drug dealer so I could still

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have the Percocets and the
Oxycontin, which to me is

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absolutely ridiculous and a big,
major fail of the medical

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establishment, you know?
But that documentary, A Leap of

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faith came up in my Netflix.
I'm like, what's this?

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This sounds interesting.
So I credit that documentary.

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And I love how they put a
spotlight on what happened in

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2016 that you touched upon with
where the FDA tried to schedule

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it and ban it and cause a huge
uproar.

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I can't imagine you and Sarah
being so new to the kratom

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industry as a company and then
having that, that had to have

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been scary because not just your
livelihood, but access for for

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the both of you.
Yeah, yeah.

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And at that time, I mean, our
our son, he would have been 3

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when that news of the, the
emergency scheduling started

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coming around.
I think it was, it was actually

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later in the year, I think the,
the like the hearings and stuff

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were maybe like August or
September or something like

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that.
I can't remember exactly.

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But I remembered like the first,
like rumors of it coming out

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right after my son's third
birthday.

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And, and yeah, we, I, we weren't
supporting ourselves with the

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company.
But like I said, we had gotten

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to know so many people who were
already benefiting from it.

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And, and the last thing we
wanted not only was to have to,

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you know, pick up more hours and
reconsider for me, reconsider my

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entire career path because I
wasn't going to be able to keep

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driving a truck if I couldn't
use this anymore.

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There was just no way I was
going to have to, you know, do

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some kind of a desk job.
So, yeah, it, it was terrifying.

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And there's been a lot of those
terrifying things that have

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happened along the way.
Like I said, getting a shipment

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seized, you know, several $1000.
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smaller, but, you know, none of
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positive for any contaminants.
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import alert out that is causing
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on the possibility that it may
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salmonella possibly.
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dollars.
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essentially.
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we usually tell people about,
you know, who are interested in,

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in starting their own creative
business is to be really, really

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careful of your source.
You know, it's, there's, it's,

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there's just so much that can go
wrong when you're transferring

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large amounts of money overseas.
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figure that out.
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bailed upon, you know, by our,
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several $1000 shipment, it was
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good supplier, if that happens,
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difference with you.
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the shipment, you cover half the
shipment and that way you're not

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holding the bill for the entire
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So, you know, we, we did learn a
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But yeah, just another one of
those like terrifying moments in

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the in the journey.
Man, I y'all probably could

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write a book about, you know,
surviving the kratom industry,

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you know, and like all the, all
the lessons y'all have learned.

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We really should do that.
That just gives me an idea.

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I should have you and Sarah on
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episode just talking about the
industry and and like just all

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the lessons y'all have learned
because I find it fascinating

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and y'all been in the industry
for for quite some time.

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So back to your personal story
with kratom.

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So you discover it, it it works
great.

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So was it something that like
happened immediately or did it

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take some trial and error, you
know, figuring out the color and

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the dose and all those things or
how how was it early on for you?

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So I got lucky with my my very
first dose, it worked perfectly.

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I did 1 teaspoon.
I'm a bigger guy.

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I'm 6 foot 230 lbs.
So I wasn't too worried about,

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you know, taking that size dose
based on what I had read.

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I'm like, OK, it seems where a
lot of people start and I

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wasn't, you know, again, because
of the job, I wasn't taking any

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other substances or anything.
I didn't have any kind of a

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tolerance to opioids or
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And I, I just figured if, if
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dose is what I'm going to stick
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And I would say I probably
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It was very consistent for the
first several years and then it

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plateaued just, you know, table
topped and, and it hasn't really

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changed since.
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was about 2 1/2 grams and then
about every year I would up it

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around 25%.
And that seemed to work really

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well for me, keeping the dose
lows, preventing the tolerance

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build.
I was, you know, aware of how

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easy it is to build a tolerance
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close together.
So I always wait at least 4

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hours even if I take it and I
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And I say, oh geez, you know, I
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I meant to take 6 or whatever.
I'll I'll just wait the four

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hours and and deal with that.
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I'll take the correct dose.
I made that crucial error and

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learn my lesson very early on.
It was Thanksgiving 2014 and I

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remember taking a dose when I
got up getting ready to help

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Sarah cooking Thanksgiving
dinner and while I was rushing

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around I saw the bag sitting on
the table and went.

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I forgot to take my kratom and I
grab it.

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I take another dose probably
about 40 minutes after I took

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the first one.
So as soon as I took it, it

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starts working and I'm like, uh,
oh, so you know, about 40

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minutes after that I start
getting the wobbles and then my

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visions going in and out and I'm
like, oh man, this isn't fun.

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Laid down on the couch and I was
out for like 3 or 4 hours and

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poor Sarah dinner herself.
So, yeah, hard, hard lesson

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learned about making sure that
you're kind of consistent with

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your dosing and, and not
forgetting when you've taken it

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or, you know, accidentally
taking more too soon if you

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think that your dose isn't
working.

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Probably one of the biggest
lessons I can impart on people

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who are brand new to it.
You will have good luck with it

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if if you just set a dosing plan
that you think is going to work

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for your life.
If you need it in the morning,

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what time every morning are you
going to take it?

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You take it at that time.
And then if you need it again in

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the afternoon or in the evening,
what time are you going to take

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it?
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you don't accidentally take too
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If it starts, you know, not
really working and you're

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expecting that it should,
there's a lot of things that

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could be wrong besides you
didn't take enough.

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So don't just jump right into
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that is how you'll build the
tolerance very quickly.

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So yeah, that was, that was like
the toughest thing for me to

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learn was that I, I made a
mistake with my dosing, but it

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didn't really happen again after
that because I, I, I did learn

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my lesson pretty quick.
It's not pleasant for sure when

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you overdo it.
I mean, it's not, it's not

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deadly.
I didn't throw up or anything.

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It was just very unpleasant and
made me tired so.

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Yeah, yeah.
But you know what's amazing with

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this plant?
The worst thing that typically

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happens if you take too much as
you throw it up and then you're

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fine.
Like it's not going to suppress

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your breathing and kill you
unless, you know, you're taking

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a whole bunch of drugs with it
or, or something that that could

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cause that.
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That's so interesting.
I, I love that you talked about

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like, being on schedule or that
consistency.

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I kept a journal, a dose journal
when I first started, and that

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helped me tremendously.
So I can really gauge what was

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working because it took me a
little bit of trial and error,

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experimenting with the colors
and finding that Reds don't do

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much for me and whites make me
too jittery.

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But finding that greens worked
really well.

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And then I really preferred
powder over capsules and just

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little things that like figuring
it out, just sticking to a

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schedule.
But everybody's different.

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And, but I find it interesting
when people talk about how why

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just take a spoonful?
And I'm like, well, how much is

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your spoonful?
And because some people talk

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about I took too much and I
don't know how I did that.

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It's like, well, how are you
measuring it?

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Are you a fan of like using a
scale?

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Because a lot of people say
always use a scale.

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I I'm 6 1/2 years in, I've used
kratom every single day.

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I've never had a tolerance
issue.

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I've never taken a break and I
still use my same little baking

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teaspoon thing from the day one.
And I'm just really very aware

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of how I measure and it's very
consistent.

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But some people say, oh, you're
better off using a scale than

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some people say, yeah, I just
grab a spoon.

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I just take a heaping amount and
I just do do a toss and wash.

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What are your thoughts on like
the different ways and like

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having making?
You don't take too much.

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So I do advocate for a scale
when you're, when you're new to

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it, especially if you're
somebody who's usually sensitive

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to substances.
You know, if you, if you're

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somebody that can take 1, you
know, Advil and your headache

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goes away, you know, or your
backache goes away or something

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like that, then then you're
probably a little bit more

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sensitive to substances that you
put into your body.

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If you take a sip of coffee and
you're shaking and bouncing off

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the walls, then get a scale
because the difference between,

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you know, a packed level
teaspoon and a fluffy teaspoon

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could be, you know, a half a
gram or more.

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And for somebody who's sensitive
to it and maybe only needs a

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half a teaspoon, you know, if
you, if you come, you know,

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somewhere closer to 3/4 of a tea
stone, you're getting almost 50%

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higher dose.
And you could have a bad

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experience that way or certainly
at least get different effects

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than what you're expecting.
If you take white and you take,

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you know, 50% more than you
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So I do advocate for using a
scale in the beginning for sure,

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little bit less sensitive to

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things, then a measuring spoon
works good.

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Just don't, you know, to anybody
out there who's grabbing the

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spoon that you eat a bowl of
cereal with and, and just

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digging it into a bag of cream,
you should probably put it on a

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scale and see how much you're
actually getting because it's

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probably not a teaspoon.
And, and it's always good to

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know in case you have to change
forms just for convenience.

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If, if you know, you normally
take, you know, about a teaspoon

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and now you go, you know, oh, I
want to try capsules.

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Well, do you, do you know how to
convert the amount that you're

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scooping into the dose that
you're going to take in capsule

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form?
We, we made a conversion chart

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for our capsules because they're
larger than most of the capsules

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in the industry and they're,
they're more packed.

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So like, you know, if you go to
our website or when you buy from

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us, we send an information
brochure that has a conversion

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chart that shows, you know,
teaspoons, grams and capsules,

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which I think is helpful.
And that would be my second, you

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know, recommendations.
If you're new to kratom, maybe

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try a consistent form to make
dosing and figuring everything

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out easier.
If you go to a capsule product,

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then you can easily figure out
what your dose is and keep it

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the same every time.
Versus, you know, if you're

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playing around with the scoop
and you don't necessarily know

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if you're scooping the same
amount every time.

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Yeah, that's that's smart
advice.

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I love that y'all send the
little brochure with an order.

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When I first got kratom from you
guys and I saw that little

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brochure, I'm like, this is
helpful information, especially

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that conversion like you're
talking about.

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When I first started kratom in
2019, I couldn't understand

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this.
Everything was in grams.

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I'm like, I just want to use my
little teaspoon and and you

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know, dose this way.
I don't understand.

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Like and then when I couldn't
find any information back then

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that would explain the
difference, I literally found

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out maybe just a few years ago
that approximately 2.4 grams is

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a teaspoon, like approximately.
And I'm like, wow, I really

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never understood all of that.
And I love that in your company.

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Is there a really big on
education making sure people

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understand?
Because when you're new to this,

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there's so people think, just
tell me what you buy.

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I'm about your build.
I have degenerative disease like

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you just tell me.
I'm like, it's not like that at

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all.
You know, I, I you might need a

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quarter of a teaspoon and it'll
help your pain.

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You might find the Reds work
better for you, unlike me with

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the greens.
Like people just, I think we're

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so conditioned in with medical
stuff, with pharmaceuticals that

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you take just like growing up,
take two aspirin and call me in

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the morning, right?
Like it's not like that.

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It affects everybody
differently.

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So it's just sometimes hard to
explain that to people.

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So I love that y'all are always
educating.

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I think that's really important.
Yeah, I, I look at it as, you

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know, I see the traffic that
goes to our website versus the

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people that are buying.
And, and early on I said, you

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know, what is it that's stopping
people from buying that are

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coming to the website?
If if you see all of these

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reviews saying, you know, this
worked for me, you'd see the

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product laid out nice and easily
and you're there for a reason.

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I mean, you're trying to buy it
or you're trying to learn more

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about buying it and then you
don't make a purchase.

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You know, why is that?
And that's, I love just getting

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information.
Whatever it is that I'm buying,

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I always look at the description
and I felt like not having that

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00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,800
basic information and just
seeing a bunch of weird names on

445
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,440
the screen was probably one of
the things that was slowing

446
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,080
people down.
And then we have all the blends.

447
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,480
You know, every company has
their proprietary blends, which

448
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,280
in the early days, this is like
probably the big reason for why

449
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:36,560
there's actually kratom blends.
It it was about people finding

450
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,800
your kratom.
I mean, if you just searched

451
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,560
kratom, then you'd find 100
companies.

452
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,440
But if you search happy go lucky
kratom, then you're going to

453
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,200
find metrospect.
And so it was really more about

454
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:51,160
like branding and and trying to
differentiate yourself by

455
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,400
putting different strings
together to try and get

456
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,760
something that gives you a
little bit of a new effect, but

457
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,920
also to get a name out there
that people can search that'll

458
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,880
take them to your website versus
any one of the the other

459
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,360
companies.
So that was, you know, kind of

460
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:10,120
kind of important, I guess, you
know, it's.

461
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:11,840
Smart, it's smart.
I love it.

462
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,800
I think that's really smart
business.

463
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,600
I love that a lot.
I know I'm like asking you

464
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,880
questions and we're going back
and forth all over different

465
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,480
directions, but I want to go
back again to when you started

466
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:29,480
Kratom and initially it was for
your back pain issues and what

467
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,360
else did kratom do?
Because so many times people

468
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:35,040
say, gosh, kratom not only helps
my pain issues, but or helps me

469
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,040
curb my addiction issues to
opiates or this or that.

470
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,840
They always find other things
that create, you know, whether

471
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,240
it's the energy boost or oh, I
don't even crave alcohol

472
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,760
anymore.
I don't even drink alcohol

473
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,280
anymore.
I just know, like sometimes

474
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,200
people say, I just noticed like,
wow, I've got beer in the fridge

475
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,600
that's been sitting there for
months.

476
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,920
I just realized I don't even
want want it anymore.

477
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,520
Like what are just some of the
other benefits you got from

478
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,040
kratom?
Energy was the big thing for me.

479
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,960
Like I said, I wasn't just
driving a truck.

480
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,520
I was driving a truck at night.
And I had been doing a night

481
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,120
shift for a while.
But having young kids at home

482
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,640
made it quite a bit different.
You know, it was a lot harder to

483
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:20,840
sleep during the day.
So it, it, it was one of the

484
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,920
requirements when I started
doing my research that it was

485
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,520
something that, you know, wasn't
going to make me tired and if

486
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,840
anything would give me energy.
And so seeing that kratom's a

487
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,560
cousin of the coffee plant and
that it has alkaloids that can

488
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,440
be, you know, stimulating, that
was a big thing for me.

489
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,360
And I was really happy that I, I
started with whites and greens.

490
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:46,200
I didn't even really know much
about the strains when I started

491
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,880
buying.
And I had done a little bit of

492
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,960
reading, but I didn't realize it
was such a huge difference.

493
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:56,360
I didn't know much about
alkaloid profiles And, and so I,

494
00:27:56,360 --> 00:28:00,800
I started with white and green
and they, they worked really

495
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,280
well for me.
I tried red and, and that did

496
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,440
help me if I was sore one night
when I was going to sleep or,

497
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,760
you know, 11 morning when I was
going to sleep.

498
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:13,960
But the, the energy was, was a
big part of it.

499
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:19,320
And I'm also fairly shy and I
find that when I take kratom, it

500
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,920
makes me a little bit more
social, a little bit more

501
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,360
outgoing and a little bit, you
know, just a little bit more

502
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:29,520
laid back in social situations.
And I, I've heard over the years

503
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,040
that, you know, there's other
people who do get that same sort

504
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,040
of effect, but it seems like
it's a little bit more rare, but

505
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,160
it, but it does seem to help me
a little bit with social

506
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,680
anxiety.
So it's another, you know, kind

507
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,800
of side benefit for me.
That's great.

508
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,000
And since you're, you were a
trucker and you talked to other

509
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,840
truckers and, and, you know,
told them about kratom because

510
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,120
it's common for people I know
not in your situation, but a lot

511
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,560
of people will like, OK, I take
this medication and that

512
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,040
medication, then the doctor
prescribes another medication

513
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,120
for the side effect of this
other one and this nut.

514
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,520
And so many times people
discover kratom and they're

515
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,000
like, I was able to stop all
those medications.

516
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,720
Have you met like truckers from
back then when you were in that

517
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:16,160
industry that like not only
kratom was helping them, you

518
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,840
know, from, from, you know, when
them seeing how it affected you,

519
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,840
but like, wow, I was taking all
these other meds.

520
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,280
I don't have to do that anymore.
Were you running into 'cause I,

521
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,320
I can't even imagine what the
whole trucker thing and the kind

522
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,840
of pains and pains and all the
issues and staying awake and

523
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,520
this and that, Although you just
say they're very strict with

524
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,640
medications even prescribed.
But I'm just curious like how

525
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,280
were other truckers affected by
this?

526
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,880
Well, it was true for me and
true for a lot of people that I

527
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,880
talked to was that it not, not
so much like really, you know,

528
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,640
pain relieving drugs, but I, I
was taking 800 milligrams of

529
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,640
ibuprofen several times a day,
usually four times a day.

530
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,920
So what 2400 milligrams of
ibuprofen a day?

531
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,440
It's, it's really bad for your
stomach at those levels.

532
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,240
And a lot of the people that
I've talked to, that's been one

533
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,160
of the things that they've been
able to, to save themselves is

534
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:18,440
the, the stomach issues from
taking and said pain relievers

535
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,280
that that can be really damaging
to your stomach lining if you

536
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,560
take them in higher levels.
We've had lots of, you know,

537
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,640
customers that were able to stop
traditional, you know, pain

538
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:33,040
medications, opiate pain
medications, But I don't know

539
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,160
that I've heard too many other
stories myself, like first hand

540
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,320
of people being able to get off
of other prescriptions, safe

541
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,760
board like depression, anxiety,
things like that.

542
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,920
But I do hear those stories
every once in a while.

543
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,640
I mean, it helps Sarah
tremendously.

544
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,920
She's very anxious and and so
you know that that was a huge

545
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,480
help for her.
It did really help with her

546
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,920
anxiety.
And then and then we found

547
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,760
ashwaganda, which helps
tremendously with anxiety.

548
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,560
So yeah, I love ashwaganda and
I've actually just tried those

549
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,000
Ashwagandha capsules and I'm
really impressed with them.

550
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,520
Super because I've only used
ashwagandha that were like a

551
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,040
gummy with that, plus other
things, you know, like maybe

552
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,400
ashwagandha with elfini and
reishi.

553
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,320
And I've had another one that
was like CBD.

554
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,760
I know ashwagandha was in there,
but I think a few more things.

555
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,080
So it was the first time I
actually did just an ashwagandha

556
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,120
only.
And I love that your capsules

557
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,640
are so big.
Like that's not common in the

558
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,400
kratom industry.
And so I'm super impressed.

559
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,680
They're real.
I'm a big fan of Ashwagandha but

560
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,680
I really enjoy the ones y'all
put out.

561
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,800
Thank you.
I appreciate that.

562
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,000
And yeah, our, our capsule size
and the fact that we sell

563
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,600
capsules at all is part of how
we got into the business.

564
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,320
And, you know, I, I heard
obviously from everybody that I

565
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,880
was giving the powder to that it
was disgusting.

566
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,560
Nobody that I knew like the
taste of it.

567
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,680
And so I started hand pressing
tablets on a little like, you

568
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,000
know, I mean, it was heavy duty,
but it was literally a hand

569
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,240
crank that you turn and it puts
the powder into a mold and then

570
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,880
presses it into a tablet shape.
And I was turning those things

571
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,320
out, you know, in a in a
makeshift clean room in my

572
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,320
garage.
And because I wanted a more

573
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,400
convenient delivery system than
the powder toss and washer,

574
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,520
mixing it in with a drink.
And that's what I was doing

575
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,560
before that because, you know,
frankly, I couldn't afford to

576
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,920
buy the capsules early on, you
know, not for myself at the, you

577
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,480
know, the amounts that I was
taking.

578
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,280
I was like, it's seems like a
waste of money if I can get a

579
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,680
machine, you know, and do it
myself.

580
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,480
So I'd started doing that and
then went to the capsules when I

581
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,800
realized it was so much easier
to press capsules.

582
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:50,360
But yeah, that that the, the
capsule thing was a big part of

583
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,600
us starting the, the company
because there wasn't a lot of

584
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,960
companies out there that were
selling easier to take formats

585
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,280
at that time.
And and just because you since

586
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,560
you brought up like the size of
the capsules and stuff that was

587
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,840
like it's always been the focus
of the business has been our

588
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,640
capsules.
And and so we do take a lot of

589
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,840
pride in in, you know, how how
we fill them and yeah, how big

590
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,160
they are can be a problem for
some people though, 000.

591
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,160
Capsules.
Are are a bigger capsule, so

592
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,040
they're.
They're big, but the beauty is

593
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,160
you don't have to take as many
capsules.

594
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,760
Exactly.
You know what, when I first

595
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,000
started kratom, you know, of
course I started with capsules

596
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,040
because everybody said the stuff
tastes bad.

597
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,720
The powder is gross.
And I was like, oh, I don't want

598
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,640
to have to taste nasty powder
because I'm not going to want to

599
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,880
consume it.
So I bought capsules, but you

600
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:47,440
know, they're typically the .5g
size and if you need, you know,

601
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,280
a substantial number of grams,
then, you know, you can be

602
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,720
taking 8 or 10 or more capsules.
And that's a lot of capsule

603
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,520
shells.
Not so much It's, oh, that's a

604
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,480
lot of capsules.
I think people don't understand,

605
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,800
like it's just the powder.
So, you know, when you open up

606
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,360
the capsules and put it on a
spoon, you'll see it's not

607
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,600
really that much.
I mean, my typical dose is 2

608
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,360
teaspoons, which is, you know,
close to 5 grams, but that would

609
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,840
that could be a lot.
That could be 10 capsules of the

610
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,120
.5g capsules.
And that's the problem I ran

611
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,760
into was all those capsule
shells sitting in my stomach and

612
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,679
I felt like they weren't opening
up and I'm like, I wasn't

613
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,480
feeling the effects of this.
I'm like, something's not right

614
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,440
here.
And I love how your company does

615
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,520
the vegan capsules.
So number one, that's just a

616
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,800
better type of capsule to begin
with.

617
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,679
You're doing the bigger ones so
you're not ingesting as much.

618
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,440
But you did a video recently
where you showed like a time

619
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,000
lapse of how your capsules open
fairly quickly.

620
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,080
And I think that's so
interesting to learn about that

621
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,800
now.
It just gives me this whole new

622
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,719
thought of, I mean, I'm used to
the taste now, so it's no big

623
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,240
deal.
I've been doing the swamp water

624
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,920
every day, multiple times a day
for 6 1/2 years.

625
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,880
So it doesn't bother me anymore.
But it's like it kind of makes

626
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,320
me think I should kind of look
at capsules again because it is

627
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,400
easier to take on the go.
I have tablets, press tablets,

628
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,080
but not very many companies
create those or sell those.

629
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,000
There's not a common.
It's interesting that you did

630
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,680
the whole hand crank.
I can't even imagine how tough

631
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,120
that must have been to be
cranking those out that way.

632
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,360
But you know, when people are
new, if it tastes bad, they

633
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,640
don't want to do it.
I stuck with it because I like,

634
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,600
well, is this or find a drug
dealer?

635
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,000
So I was kind of like, OK, I got
to make this work, so I will

636
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,480
figure it out.
But some people say, yeah, try

637
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,600
this powder.
It tastes gross.

638
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,120
I just can't.
I just can't so.

639
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,240
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's
definitely an interesting

640
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:49,320
flavor.
And I, I when I first started, I

641
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,480
would take it with chocolate
milk.

642
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,120
That was the thing that, I don't
know, orange juice worked fine

643
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,720
for me.
Like I'd put, you know, a scoop

644
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:59,240
in with a, in a water bottle and
pour some orange juice in and

645
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,080
just shake it around and, and
drink that.

646
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,720
I always found like, you know,
citrusy acidic flavors usually

647
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:08,920
do a good job of canceling out
the bitterness of the, the, the

648
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,720
kratom, but milk actually really
did a pretty good job for me

649
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,120
too, you know, heavily chocolate
syruped up.

650
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,840
But it was, you know, it wasn't
that bad that way.

651
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,080
So that was my, you know,
preferred delivery method before

652
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,720
we started doing the, the
tablets and then later the

653
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:29,000
capsules.
And yeah, the, the, the vegan

654
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,920
capsule thing.
Vegan capsules are more

655
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,560
expensive.
It's not a whole lot more, but

656
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:39,320
at scale it kind of is.
So, you know, we used to do the

657
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,960
gelatin capsules and then we had
a vegan option available and we

658
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,440
charged a little bit more for
that just to cover the extra

659
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,280
cost of producing the vegan with
the, the, the raw, you know,

660
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:55,200
capsule price.
And once I started reading more

661
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,360
about them and taking them
myself and realizing that we had

662
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,840
a lot of customers out there who
were buying the powder just

663
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,080
because they were vegan and they
didn't want to take beef

664
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,360
gelatin, that's when we were
like, OK, we're just going to

665
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,560
switch.
Because at at this point we're,

666
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,880
we're doing enough of these
vegan, you know, capsule orders

667
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,160
that it, it just doesn't really
make sense to keep doing the

668
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,520
gelatin also.
So we just switched over and

669
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,960
everything became vegan.
And I was noticing when I was

670
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,920
taking my capsules that it was,
you know, taking effect a lot

671
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,880
faster than I was expecting most
of the time.

672
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,200
And that's when I started
looking more into the, the, the,

673
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,360
the dissolving rate of different
materials.

674
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,800
And Polluin has the fastest rate
of any, you know, solid capsule.

675
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,960
And, and then I was like, I got
to see this myself.

676
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,880
Like, I know what it looks like
if I drop a capsule and, you

677
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,760
know, the sink or something, and
it takes forever to dissolve.

678
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,000
So let me see what happens when
I put these.

679
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,280
And I just put it in a glass
with, I think the water was

680
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,040
about 94° because that's what I
could get out of my tap at the

681
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,480
time.
And I plopped the capsule in

682
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,800
there and I started watching it
and give it a little stir to

683
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,720
simulate movement in your
stomach or whatever.

684
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:11,800
But the things started
dissolving after like 4 minutes,

685
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,840
it starts to soften and then by
7 minutes it's completely

686
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,080
dissolved.
And, and the the Kratoms all

687
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,040
dispersed in the water.
And I thought that was really

688
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,920
good to illustrate to people who
I had heard over the years say,

689
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,880
I don't buy capsules because
they don't dissolve.

690
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,720
They do dissolve like everything
in your stomach.

691
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:33,040
There's other some things that
the acid, you know, in your

692
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,880
stomach won't touch, but your
stomach acid is really strong.

693
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,080
So, you know, if you can eat a
piece of steak, you, you, you

694
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,520
can imagine that the gelatin
capsule that's made from, you

695
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,040
know, the, the byproducts of
that steak are going to dissolve

696
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,040
just fine.
But balloon is made from tapioca

697
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,840
starch.
It's, it's less susceptible to

698
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,520
moisture, so they don't get
sticky.

699
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,760
If there's a lot of humidity in
the air, they will still get

700
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,640
sticky, but not as, not as much
as gelatin capsules.

701
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,200
And just the fact that they
dissolved so much faster was

702
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,560
like an eye opener for me
because I know there's a lot of

703
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,200
people that, you know, they,
they procrastinate, they, they

704
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,840
take the Kratom after they're
already feeling the back pain

705
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,840
instead of, you know, taking it
proactively and preemptively.

706
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,520
And, you know, if you're, if
you're hurting and you need

707
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,600
something to work fast, you
know, plain powder, probably

708
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,160
with, you know, some, some
citrus juice will definitely,

709
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,080
you know, get you there faster.
But if you're on the go and

710
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,440
you've got a couple of capsules
in your pocket, it's a little

711
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,560
better to wait 7 minutes for it
to start, you know, dissolving

712
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,080
and working than to wait 47
minutes.

713
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,560
It's definitely easier to have
capsules with you on the go for

714
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,320
sure.
This is such a great explanation

715
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,520
you're giving us because I was I
was actually going to ask you

716
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,760
what was pulling because I'd
heard of that didn't quite

717
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,360
understand.
So you said that's tapioca

718
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,320
starch And for people that don't
really understand this whole

719
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,000
thing with because you know,
when we say vegan capsules

720
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,600
versus the gelatin, so the
gelatin is made with animal by

721
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,880
products.
So it just what just a little

722
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,200
harder to dissolve or just takes
longer to dissolve basically.

723
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,280
Yeah, I, I mean, I'm not sure.
I don't go too much into the

724
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,560
mechanics of how you know how
one dissolves slower than the

725
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,200
other one.
But yeah, most of the capsules

726
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,120
that you buy are going to be
bovine gelatin.

727
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,000
So they're, they're literally
made out of, you know, cow

728
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,880
hooves and, and the gelatinous,
you know, product that comes

729
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,120
when they render, you know, meat
or dog food or whatever.

730
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,920
I mean, it is, it is a by
product.

731
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,120
And, and if it's, you know, if
it's edible, then it's being

732
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,800
used by some industry.
And gelatin capsules are, are

733
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,800
probably one of those things
that, you know, I don't really

734
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,800
want to know how it's made if I
have to take them.

735
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,720
But I'm really, I'm really glad
that there's, you know, that

736
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,000
there's capsule or capsules that
are made out of something other

737
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,520
than gelatin, I should say.
And so, yeah, I, I'm, I'm a big

738
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,560
fan of, of vegan, vegan or
vegetarian.

739
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,400
There are vegetarian capsules
that aren't exactly vegan.

740
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,360
And I don't know why that is.
I don't know why they can't be,

741
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,240
you know, certified as vegan.
But the Puluan capsules said

742
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:22,760
they're made of tapioca starch.
There's nothing else in there,

743
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,720
you know, so it it or this, this
very, very minute we, you can

744
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:29,520
see it on the ingredients.
If you buy a package of our

745
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,800
capsules, we have the full
breakdown of what's actually in

746
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,000
the capsules.
It's really only three

747
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,440
ingredients, so they're very
basic, but it's all plant

748
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,320
derived.
So yeah, it does.

749
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,560
It does feel a little bit better
knowing that you're just, you

750
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:48,080
know, consuming some plant
material versus what you what

751
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,680
you might be getting the other
way around.

752
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,600
Yeah, now this is very
educational.

753
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,800
I guarantee you somebody's
listening to this right now

754
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,520
going, wow, I did not know that.
Thank you, Dan, for sharing

755
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,440
that.
I'm going to pay more attention

756
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,080
when I'm buying capsules now.
So I this is great.

757
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,480
But yeah, I mean, I didn't, I
didn't never really understood

758
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,160
much of the difference in
pulling being the tapioca

759
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,360
starch.
That's really interesting to

760
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:14,400
know and makes me want to use
capsules knowing that

761
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,040
information, even though I'm
used to the taste of kratom.

762
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,720
But it is nice when you're out
and about to be able to to

763
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:25,040
consume kratom easily and you
know, capsules or the whole leaf

764
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,840
tablets make it just so much
easier.

765
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,640
And so y'all are known for
powder and capsules.

766
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,880
I already knew about your
company because in our kratom

767
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,160
real talk community where we
have, you know, lots of

768
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,280
discussions about kratom without
censorship is so nice and

769
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,000
refreshing because I tell you,
I've been in TikTok trouble this

770
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,960
week.
They wouldn't let when my videos

771
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,640
go up yesterday, it took over 24
hours for the appeal to go

772
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,120
through.
I was just in YouTube jail for a

773
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,920
week because they didn't like
one of my videos.

774
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,520
Now I'm out of YouTube jail and
then Facebook is on a rampage

775
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,520
deleting every post that has the
word kratom in it and I've

776
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,200
gotten all these notifications
from them and then they put me

777
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,080
in a timeout for live streaming
for a week and it's like, OK, I

778
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,080
live stream on Facebook about
social media and AI stuff.

779
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,280
So I'm pretty pissed I can't
live stream that this week

780
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:23,880
because of five posts, most of
them from two years ago, that

781
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,680
happened to have the word kratom
in it.

782
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,320
And I hardly ever talk about
kratom on my personal Facebook.

783
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,360
But it's incredibly frustrating
how social media treats us when

784
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,360
we're just trying to help
educate people about kratom.

785
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:39,440
So I'm so glad I have us in a
community on the school

786
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,480
platform, kratomrealtalk.com.
I'm glad that you and Sarah

787
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,600
joined but already knew about
y'all because one of our

788
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,720
community members would always
rave about the vegan capsules

789
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:52,800
from Metrospect.
And whenever conversations

790
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,960
mention anything with capsules,
he would John would always like

791
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,080
chime in with that and say the
vegan capsules from introspect

792
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,360
are the best.
And so y'all are getting lots of

793
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,520
shout outs in there before y'all
joined us.

794
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,840
So I, I, I just find it.
I just love that y'all are known

795
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,880
for the vegan capsules and the
powder, especially in this time

796
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,520
where the whole 7 O eight thing
has been going on the last few

797
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,880
years.
What, what's your thought on

798
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,800
that?
Because that's been like a huge,

799
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,800
it went out to like dive deep
into that.

800
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:28,720
But, you know, tell us like what
your thoughts are on that as

801
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:30,360
somebody that's in the kratom
industry.

802
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,040
Sure.
Well, since you mentioned the

803
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,520
the two products that we're most
known for, the powder and

804
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:42,000
capsules, I just want to quickly
say that because of the two

805
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,640
issues that come up from those
two products, you know, powder

806
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,480
having a bad taste and capsules
sometimes being too big to

807
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,560
swallow, that we did start
selling a gummy product.

808
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,080
But here's where the two things
kind of tie together.

809
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,000
Our gummies are mitragenine
only, so there's No 7 OH in

810
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,720
them.
And I'm really glad that we did

811
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:06,560
it that way because as soon as
all of the information, the news

812
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,160
started coming out about the
government potentially trying to

813
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,520
ban it, schedule it, we
immediately got a call from our

814
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,040
payment processor.
It was like 2 days after the

815
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,080
first story that I saw about it.
We got a call from our payment

816
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,480
processor saying if you have any
products in your store that

817
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:27,680
contain any enhanced levels or
artificial seven O 8, you need

818
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,680
to pull them immediately or
you're going to need to find

819
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,400
another processor.
And we've lost payment

820
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,720
processors so many times over
the years because nobody really,

821
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,040
you know, in the banking
industry wants to get involved

822
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,800
in a product that isn't, you
know, you know, that is illegal

823
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,960
in some places and some
jurisdictions.

824
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,240
So basically, you know, every
couple years we lose a credit

825
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:55,400
card processor and we have to go
to these weird, you know,

826
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,800
alternative means to process
cards or to accept payments some

827
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:07,280
other way because of that.
So I, I started thinking so much

828
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,720
about that.
Oh, so that the seven, Oh yeah,

829
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:12,960
we were told that we, you know,
would have to immediately remove

830
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,760
7 OH, products.
So I was glad that we didn't

831
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,080
have any that, that, you know,
matched what they were concerned

832
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,800
with.
But that was by design too.

833
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:26,400
We started getting asked a long
time ago if we had extract

834
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,520
products.
And we've always been advocates

835
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:34,200
for just sticking to natural,
you know, whole leaf kratom, the

836
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:35,960
way that it comes from the
plant.

837
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:39,880
It's not that we think that
there's anything wrong with

838
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,200
extracts necessarily, as long as
they're used responsibly.

839
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:48,240
But it was a concern over or a
combination of things.

840
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:51,120
But it was like we were seeing
that we had a lot of customers

841
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,440
who, you know, they didn't want
to do a lot of research

842
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,160
themselves.
They just want to take something

843
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,120
that worked.
And they weren't the type that

844
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,720
we're going to be like really
carefully measuring with the

845
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:05,200
scale.
We feel like, you know, if

846
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,280
you're taking extracts, you
could really do some damage and

847
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,280
get yourself seriously addicted
if you're taking more than you

848
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,000
realize you're taking.
So it's so it's kind of like we

849
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,000
felt like there was too many
possible, you know, concerns for

850
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,320
our customers getting themselves
into trouble accidentally with

851
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:28,880
extracts and that, you know, 17
OH became available as, you

852
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,040
know, an additive to edible
products and stuff or just, you

853
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,280
know, synthetic 7 OH that you
can add to enhance a powder.

854
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:40,280
We decided to just stay away
from it and just keep on the

855
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:45,400
whole natural kratom, you know,
position that we've had and that

856
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,440
way we don't have to worry about
trying to explain to our

857
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,320
customers, listen, this, this is
16 times stronger.

858
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,680
So if you normally take, you
know, 2 1/2 grams and I need to

859
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,320
divide that, you know, by 16 and
take, you know, this miniscule

860
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,080
amount.
So it's kind of a safety thing

861
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,640
for us.
I, I don't believe that

862
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,360
anything, you know, at least
substances.

863
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,520
I don't, I don't really think
that anything should be illegal

864
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,080
if it's natural.
Yeah, there's some dangerous,

865
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,960
you know, synthetic stuff out
there that should definitely not

866
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,240
be in the hands of of pretty
much anybody.

867
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,600
But if it comes from the ground,
I don't really see how that's

868
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,000
something that the government
should have a place.

869
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,040
There you go.
And so that's kind of where I

870
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,120
draw the line with 7OH.
If it's if it's naturally

871
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:36,040
derived 7OH from a plant and
it's extracted and there's

872
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,800
enough information being
provided so that the user

873
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,640
understands what they're getting
themselves into, then that's

874
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,160
great.
And that's really what we need

875
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,560
is regulation.
You need, you need somebody to

876
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,160
say, if you're going to have
this product, then you need to

877
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,120
let people know how dangerous it
can be.

878
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,880
And that's what we're not seeing
on the shelves right now.

879
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,040
So I do have a problem with the
seven OH products that are being

880
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,000
sold the way they're being sold,
but I definitely don't want to

881
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,360
see them made illegal and have
people.

882
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,840
I ran into a guy the other day
at a local vape shop where we

883
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,920
have some of our THC products on
the shelves.

884
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,120
And I was talking to the owner
of the store about how he was

885
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,320
having to pull all of his seven
OH products.

886
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,000
And this guy says, Oh yeah,
that's why I'm here right now.

887
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,920
And he's because I'm on my way
to a meeting so that I can

888
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,440
possibly get on Suboxone to get
off of Kratom.

889
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:30,840
And it's like, well, you're,
you're, you know, you're not

890
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,240
really on Kratom right now.
Like I like, you know, and he

891
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:37,720
knew that, like he knew that he
had gotten himself into trouble

892
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:41,600
with it for sure.
But he really looked like, you

893
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:46,040
know, like he was going through
a really rough time having to

894
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,760
figure out what he was going to
do now that he had this, you

895
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,840
know, access to this thing.
And it was helping him.

896
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,040
And in whatever way it was, even
if it had become, you know,

897
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:01,040
addictive or, you know, at at
levels where it's hard to get

898
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,800
back off without, you know,
medical intervention.

899
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,640
But to see that, you know,
that's going to suddenly be

900
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:12,680
taken away like that, you know,
versus just regulating and

901
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,160
providing A pathway for the
people who already using these

902
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:21,200
products to safely transition to
something that is safer, you

903
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:22,840
know, I don't want to see that
happen.

904
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,080
Yeah, well, I love hearing your
take on that.

905
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,120
I think regulation is the way to
go.

906
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,320
We just need some regulation,
not prohibition, but regulation.

907
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,360
With all of this last quick
question before we wrap up here,

908
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,400
knowing everything you know
about kratom now, you've been in

909
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,160
this industry a long time,
You've been a long time

910
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,120
consumer.
What advice would you give

911
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,040
someone who's just starting out
in their own kratom journey?

912
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,480
I think we touched on most of it
like the, the, the dosing thing

913
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,800
being consistent, you know, is,
is huge and starting with a

914
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,720
small enough dose.
Like I said, I'm, I'm, I'm not a

915
00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:00,520
small guy, but a teaspoon worked
great for me when I first

916
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,480
started.
Now like I, I explained, I, I,

917
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:07,960
you know, gradually moved up
every year and I would not make

918
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,240
that adjustment before the year.
I'm at 4.8g.

919
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:17,040
I, you know, I take 6 of the 800
milligram capsules and some, I'm

920
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,680
probably right around the same
level that you are.

921
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,600
You said you were just below
about 5g I think and that's been

922
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,200
working for me now for probably
four or five years.

923
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,960
I haven't had to adjust it at
all.

924
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:34,320
If I do find that it's not
working as well, I usually look

925
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,280
to other other parts of my
well-being that might be

926
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,560
affecting the kratom versus
thinking that the kratom

927
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,560
suddenly not doing something for
me.

928
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,000
So I, I, I always ask, you know,
did I get a rough night's sleep?

929
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,240
Am I, you know, tired?
Being more tired than usual will

930
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:55,840
impact your kratom experience.
Am I hydrated?

931
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,560
You know, did I have any water
yesterday that I have as much as

932
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,120
I normally do, which is probably
an obscene amount.

933
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,320
So hydration huge, consistency
huge.

934
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:13,400
And you know, like overall
Wellness can affect it too.

935
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,080
I mean, it's taken as long as
you have.

936
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,760
I'm sure you've noticed that if
you have a cold or you have the

937
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,680
flu or something, you take
Kratom.

938
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,880
It might not feel like it
usually does.

939
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,120
It'll make you feel better than
you did, you know, it'll usually

940
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,920
help alleviate some of the
symptoms, but you're also going

941
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,960
to notice that it's not going
to, it's not going to feel like

942
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,720
it always does.
So, you know, if if you're new

943
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:40,520
to kratom and you're taking it
for a little while and you see

944
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,480
that it's suddenly not working
the way that you expect, it is

945
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,960
don't just assume that you need
to take more.

946
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,960
Check your hydration, check your
sleep, check if you're, you

947
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,640
know, maybe coming down with
something because those things

948
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,400
will affect it too.
And then obviously, you know,

949
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,320
the source matters.
Make sure you're buying from

950
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:01,800
somebody or a company that you
can trust and you know, be

951
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,360
consistent, take notes.
Like you said, a journal was

952
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,200
great.
We, we used to have a journal,

953
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,160
but they, they just weren't
selling very well.

954
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,320
So it wasn't really worth it for
us to keep it around.

955
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,520
But we did have a Kratom journal
that was for sale on the website

956
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,680
for a little while.
Maybe we'd bring that back

957
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,520
because there's a lot of
different options for printing

958
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,480
that.
We should talk because I've been

959
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,960
wanting to do that and team up
with somebody to do that is

960
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,520
something that's been on my like
To Do List for a long time.

961
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,800
This has been great.
Dan, thank you so much for

962
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,120
spending time with us today and
sharing your kratom journey with

963
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:32,480
us.
I really appreciate it.

964
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,360
Oh, thank you so much for having
me on.

965
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,720
I had such a blast talking to
you.

966
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:37,680
I told you I I never do this
kind of thing.

967
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,800
I was really nervous, but this
was really, really fun.

968
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,160
And I know Sarah mentioned we
know a few people who are

969
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,280
athletes that might be
interested in coming on too.

970
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,200
So we're trying to talk to them
and see if we can get them to

971
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,080
come on and tell their story and
how kratom help them with their,

972
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,760
you know, with their lifestyle
being, you know, most of the

973
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,760
martial artists who get beat up
for a living, so.

974
00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:59,800
Right.
I would love that.

975
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,280
I mean, yeah.
Anybody you ever know, send them

976
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,000
my way.
And for our listeners, if you'd

977
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,280
like to have your story shared,
get in touch with me.

978
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,560
Contact me through
cranestoriespodcast.com.

979
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,200
I have a contact form on our
website or reach out to me on

980
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:13,920
social media.
Thanks, Dan.

981
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,680
This this has been a great
conversation.

982
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,000
Thanks Madeline.
I'll look forward to talking to

983
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:18,560
you again soon.