Ep 87: From Chaos to Clarity: Lea Lyden’s Journey from Addiction to Healing with Kratom

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But my mood, the depression, the
ADHD and let me also say this.

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I have 0 cravings, 0 cravings
for alcohol.

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ADHDI haven't touched my my ADHD
meds.

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I haven't even thought about it.
But you know, I'm not allowed to

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drink with it.
It, it keeps me in check, but

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you know, it eliminated all the
cravings and that's the only

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thing in my entire life that has
ever kept me like on the

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straight and narrow, even with
my, my green card.

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It used to be you're ripping it
all day.

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Now it's a little gummy at night
and then I go to bed.

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It it's like how you're supposed
to be doing it.

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And I can't believe it.
I, I, I, I really can't believe

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it.
And I have IBS irritable bowel

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also helps with that.
It's cured it.

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Hey friends, before we dive in,
I want to share something really

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important.
A lot of us are frustrated right

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now with censorship on social
media like Facebook and TikTok,

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all because we talk about
kratom.

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That's why I built a space where
we can speak freely and support

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each other without any fear.
It's called kratom Real talk.

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You can join us at
kratomrealtalk.com.

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I would love to have you there
with us.

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Now let's get on to today's
episode.

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So I'm here with Leah Lydon,
somebody I've met through the

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power of the Internet, social
media, TikTok, and our Kratom

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Real Talk community over on the
school platform with no

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censorship.
Leah, I'm so glad you wanted to

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come on and Share your story.
Thank you for being here.

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Thank you for having me and of
course thank you for doing this.

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It was definitely you and Jordan
on TikTok that encouraged me to

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give kratom leaf leaf a try
again.

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It's been less than a year of my
full time, you know, with intent

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using kratom and how I found it
again.

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Well, let me start.
Let me let me go back about 3

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years ago.
I heard about kratom and I heard

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that a little bit was like a
stimulant more was like an

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opiate.
And I was like, OK, that might

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be something nice to do at night
to relax and everything.

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I do have my green card, so I'm
not, you know, unfamiliar with

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plant medicine.
And I tried to take a lot of it

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because I wanted to get that
relaxed feeling.

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And I just threw up.
What?

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The Oh no, it was.
It, well, it is the probably one

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of the worst things I've ever
had to taste in my life.

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So I couldn't even take, I
couldn't even take it.

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So I threw it out, wound up just
just tossing it saying this is

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not for me, this is not for me.
Fast forward a couple of years,

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I hear on TikTok all about
kratom and how it's helping

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people with pain.
And then I I actually saw Jordan

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talking about addiction and I
was like, OK, because I do have

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a history of substance abuse
issues big time.

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So I went to the smoke shop and
I said do you have kratom and

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they said yes.
He handed me feel free.

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Oh.
I said OK oh it has cava in it

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too.
So I took it and tried to get it

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down and I did.
I got about half of the bottle

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down and I felt great.
I did I I was able to get things

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done and I thought that this was
kratom kratom.

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So I was doing 1 bottle on my
day off to get the house clean.

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And then I found out that it's
this seven OH, which I had

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really no idea even existed,
never even really heard about

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it.
And then I started seeing more

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and more and more on TikTok
about people that were addicted

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to them.
So I said, let me switch over

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back to the leaf.
And I listened to you and your

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recommendations and I ordered
some from New Hope Botanicals

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and Christopher's Organic
Botanicals.

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And that that's it.
My life hasn't been the same

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since I am.
It's replaced antidepressants,

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anti anxiety, ADHD meds.
I I, I can't.

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I don't even.
It's done a lot.

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It's done a lot for you.
Wow, there's a lot to unpack

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here.
First of all, Feel free is a

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kratom cava extract.
It's not a 708 product, but it

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is a, you know, extract is going
to be much stronger than leaf.

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So I, you know, when I said, uh
oh, it's because I, I hate when

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somebody for the very first
time, that's their experience is

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trying an extract because it's
going to be super strong,

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Whereas I'm all about natural
leaf kratom, which I think is

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just the best thing ever.
So, but it's not a seven O each

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product that there are a lot of
seven O each products on the

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market right now, but it's not
that particular extract.

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Then that's good.
That's good.

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So that's good.
You didn't.

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You didn't go down down that
road.

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But yeah, natural leaf.
I, I just a big fan of it.

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It's great to hear that is
helping you so much and being

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able to stop taking a bunch of
pharmaceuticals.

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Why don't we kind of back up
like prior to even before three

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years ago when you first
discovered it.

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Tell us a little bit about
yourself and like life before

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kratom ever even came into the
picture.

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Yeah, well, I had a, a pretty
rough childhood as far as the

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household that I lived in.
Very strict, very, I don't want

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to say traditional, but that old
school Italian type growing up,

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it was definitely abusive.
You know, they call it love off

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love if you would, but it was
definitely abusive.

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It it definitely led me to
substances for sure.

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By the time I was 17, I was full
blown alcoholic, full blown and

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also probably addicted to benzos
by the time I was 17.

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By the time I was 24, I had
three DU is and I actually did

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some time in jail for that,
which you know, was what I

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needed because I wasn't having
any consequences for my actions.

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So I did need that.
So that was all before the age

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of like 25.
So it was a rough, rough couple

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of years there.
Many years after that, I wound

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up going back to school, got my
degree in social work.

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Then I went, had my children,
wound up going back and getting

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my masters.
I was raised raising them as a

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single mom.
So it's always been very rough

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for me.
I've always struggled

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significantly with my mental
health.

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It runs in the family, but
that's why I became social

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worker and and that's, you know,
that's why I do what I do.

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I've always had my medical card
as as soon as it was legal and

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that I will always keep.
But I haven't drank

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alcoholically for about 18
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My son's 18, so I'll have, well,
it's funny because kratom kind

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of keeps me in check.
If you would, I, I really do

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feel that it gives you a
personalized treatment plan.

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If you would, it kind of knows
what you need.

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So like, I it, it, I, if I have
a drink, one drink, it will

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dehydrate me to the point of
instant issues like

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Constipation, if that makes
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And I drink a ton of water.
So like, it keeps me in check.

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Like I can't even have one
because I, I will be sick the

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next day.
Like I won't even be able to.

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So, but yeah, so I got into
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I, I wound up kind of white
knuckling it trying to avoid the

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pharmaceuticals.
And eventually I did get on

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them.
Like I told you, multiple,

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multiple of them.
But even then, like with my ADHD

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meds, I would look for a way to
abuse it.

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I would snort them.
I would snort them high

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functioning, getting ready for
work, you know, masters level

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clinician have a look my
clinical license and I'll start

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my Adderall, you know, just to
like, I don't know, have that

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attic behavior and but yeah,
that that well, that was before

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kratom, you know, and now I
found it.

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So it's just completely changed
my life.

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I, I, I, I can't believe that
there's just nothing really good

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on research that points to good
because I, I guess we're maybe

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new in it.
I, I don't know if there is

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going to be studies, but it's
very, very helpful.

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And everything on the Internet
is negative.

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Very few even like, you know, I
went to my old colleges like

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studies, the research project,
everything's negative.

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Everything is negative.
Yeah, there's a lot of negative

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information out there.
There are studies that have been

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done and are currently being
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There's not enough of them.
We need more and.

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And I think that if more
information went to the public

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about the research, things would
be different.

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But you don't hear about it.
That's like part.

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That's why I think I, I try to
change that.

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I try to make videos talking
about, I did one recently about

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kratom and seizures because
scientists and researchers have

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looked at this and there's no
concrete evidence that kratom

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causes seizures.
But people like to go around

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saying it does because like
maybe one person went to an ER

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suffering from a seizure that
happened to take kratom.

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And then they decide, OK, let's
put out to the world that this

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plant causes that.
But there, there are research

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studies done.
Actually, what's interesting

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that you may not know, the FDA
did a study on natural kratom a

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few years ago and they found
that it was safe.

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Have they released that publicly
and put it on their website?

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No, they have not.
But they have done it.

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They've talked about it.
They've they've everybody it,

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you know, in this kratom science
world knows about it, but the

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public doesn't.
And and that needs to change.

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Of course we know why, right?
We know why.

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We know why because it it's
going to replace too many

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medications and the list of side
effects on those medications

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that people, oh, I don't know
what's in this and that like,

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have you heard the side effects
of what you're putting in your

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body?
You know, death seizure, you

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know, anal leakage, you're going
to just pop that so easily.

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But this plant that I'm telling
you, it's an individualized

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treatment plan per person
because what it does for you, it

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has might not be what it does
for me, you know, off off label

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for me is it does help me with
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I have scoliosis.
I've always had a bad back.

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So I don't take it for pain, but
it actually kind of helps.

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But because I think I'm not
using it for that, like my back

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still hurts a lot, but my mood,
the depression, the ADHD and let

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me also say this.
I have 0 cravings, 0 cravings

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for alcohol.
ADHDI haven't touched my my ADHD

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meds.
I haven't even thought about it.

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But you know, I'm not allowed to
drink with it.

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It it keeps me in check, but you
know, it eliminated all the

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cravings.
And that's the only thing in my

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entire life that has ever kept
me like on the straight and

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narrow, even with my my green
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It used to be you're ripping it
all day.

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Now it's a little gummy at night
and then I go to bed it, it's

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like how you're supposed to be
doing it.

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And I can't believe it.
I, I, I can't believe it.

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And I have IBS.
Irritable bowel also helps with

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that.
It's cured it basically, you

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know.
That's incredible.

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A lot of people with with IBS
and Crohn's talk about how it

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helps them tremendously and that
they're actually better since

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using natural kratom.
Yeah, I also find that it kind

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of forces me into self-care
because I can't take it in the

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morning without eating or I will
throw up period.

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Every time.
I take 4, four grams about my

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morning, all my doses, and if I
don't eat first, I will get

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physically ill and I don't get
hunker cues.

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I have my own, you know,
relationship with food too.

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Of course, I got everything.
So it forces me to take care of

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myself.
It forces me to get up and eat

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where I might not for 2-3 in the
afternoon otherwise.

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So I have it forces me to eat,
it forces me to drink water.

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It keeps me away from alcohol.
And even if I want to have one,

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I'm going to pay for it.
Like it's, it's, I don't know,

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it's helping me with my hot
flashes because I'm in

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menopause.
I had a hysterectomy last year,

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so it thrusted me into
menopause.

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I'm convinced that it's the
kratom.

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I did find one, one article
about how kratom is affecting

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Women's Health in a positive way
because it, you know, it

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attaches to the endorphins and
right before hot flashes, your

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endorphins like get really,
really low.

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So if you keep that, like I'm
keeping my levels, I don't even

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know how it really works, but
I'm keeping my levels kind of

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even I'm having like 2 hot
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I was having like 90.
Wow, It it's an amazing plant.

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It it's like a magical plant
that it does so many things.

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Yep, I I I find it like almost
having a spiritual connection to

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it.
Yeah, it knows what a lot of

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people say that.
A lot of people say that to me

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because of of how great it
works.

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I've been using it every day for
the last 6 1/2 years for my

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chronic pain.
I still when I take my kratom

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like so grateful and cannot
believe how much this helps me

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and allows me to not be taking
high doses of narcotics anymore.

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I know I've heard of all the
the, the medications that you

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were on and people that can't
even get out of bed and now they

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now they can.
Yeah, with one thing it is very

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it's it's a sacred, sacred
plant.

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You know, our, it's been used
for what, thousands of years or

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yeah, I mean, they know, they
know what to do.

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You know, just like I, I trust
traditional Chinese medicine as

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well.
You know, they've been around

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for like 5000 years.
They must know something.

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They know what they're doing.
Yes, they do.

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Yes they do.
And I am just just really,

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really, really grateful for it.
It's, you know, like I said,

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ADHD, depression, anxiety and
then see PTSD.

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So like chronic PTSD from
childhood, menopause, addiction.

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I I mean.
What else can?

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The list goes on and on.
Right, the only issue I have is

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that it does not sedate me at
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It doesn't to me either, but
when people talk about it, I'm

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like, lucky you.
They take like they'll say red

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for bed and that like it's so
relaxing.

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They sleep so good.
I'm like, you didn't do that to

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me.
I got a red.

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I got a red Bali that I'll be up
scrubbing my my ceilings.

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It's the whites don't get me any
type of way.

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I use all whites, greens, Reds
and I just switch them up it I

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don't find one different than
the other really.

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I did.
I wish I did, like, I want to

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get relaxed too from it, but the
amount that I probably would

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need to take, you know, to say
like if maybe if you use more,

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you would OK.
I get sick.

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I get sick.
I have to constantly remember

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that added mindset out.
More is not better.

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More is not.
Yeah, we, we.

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Say that a lot to people their
news like less is more, less is

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more because a lot of people
think oh I need to take a lot

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for those that come from pain
management that took a lot of

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opioids, the assumption is I
took a lot of opioids I'm going

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to need a lot of this that's not
necessarily true People that

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come from addiction.
Well, I just always took all

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this stuff and they assume I got
to do that with this plant.

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And that's not necessarily true
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I know some people that only
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what they need out of it.
And then I know people that take

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3 tablespoons to get what
they're what they're looking

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for.
But it affects everybody

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differently.
That's what's so fascinating

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about the plant.
Yeah, I, I just wish I could

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take it on an empty stomach in
the morning because I, I, I was

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listening to 18.
Well, one of the times I've

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heard you say it about how you
keep the pressed tablets from

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for Especioso.
Especioso.

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Yeah, and.
I was like, I, I, I can't, I, I

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can't do it because I would
love.

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I know that it would give me
that jolt that I need in the

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morning.
Yeah, I can't.

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Interesting.
Well, why?

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Because it's telling.
Me No, you need to eat.

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But it's so interesting.
Because you know what, this

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topic has come up quite a few
times on TikTok in, in my chats

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over there where we've talked
about empty stomach versus full

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stomach.
And it's, it's a discussion

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we've had off and on for years
now.

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And what I've come to determine
is about half the people that

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talk about this topic say works
great on an empty stomach, works

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better for them, no problem.
Whereas another half the other

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half is like, oh, I got to take
it with food.

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It doesn't work for me well or I
get nauseous if I don't take it

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with food.
And it just goes back to it

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affects everybody differently.
When I first started, I was

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taking it with food.
And I'm like, why is this taking

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so long to kick in?
Why is this not as effective?

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Why is this not lasting as long?
And I'm like, let me try it on

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an empty stomach.
And it was like, oh, my God,

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this was like night and day for
me.

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And I don't get nauseous at all.
So it's interesting how it's

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affecting you.
That's very different.

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Yeah.
It's because I, I won't, I won't

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take care of myself.
I'll, I'll get up.

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I'll.
I cook both my kids hot

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breakfast every morning and not
one for myself.

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Yeah.
So taking better care of myself

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and it's.
And it's.

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Not expensive.
It's not expensive for such a

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healing and helping product
plant supplement.

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I I don't even know what we're
going to these days.

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Plants.
I like plant, but it's not.

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You would think that it would be
more expensive being how helpful

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it is, but it's not.
So I mean, it's not really out

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of reach for a lot of.
People right because it's the

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extracts in the seven OH
products that are expensive

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compared to natural leaf kratom,
which is a lot that was like I.

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Think I think it was like $10.00
for one of those little bottles.

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Yeah, those little.
Bottles are usually $10 and and

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when we hear stories of people
consuming a bunch of them every

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day, it's like, Oh my God, that
that gets expensive.

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If that becomes a daily habit, I
don't know how you could stomach

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it.
I I don't know how you could

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stomach it.
It is such a foul taste.

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The, that whatever I try, you
know, the feel free.

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The good thing I thought it was
seven O 8.

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It was very strong though, to
the point where I would I, I

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know that it was because I had
that little thing in my brain

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that I have and I was like, oh,
I like this.

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But I was able to keep it to
once a week.

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I took, I only have one day off
and I would take it on my day

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off to clean the house.
But then I was like, I saw

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someone on TikTok who was saying
they were taking like 10 or 12 a

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day and then they were saying
something.

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And I was like, Oh my gosh,
that's what I'm getting.

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I don't want to get, I don't
want to get hooked on this.

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It's, it's doing too much good
for me.

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I don't, you can, I don't want
to take advantage of what I

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have.
But yeah, I, I've, I've met, you

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know, a couple of vendors and
they're all so, so open and

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transparent and helpful.
And it's just, I mean, of course

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I've had, I guess I've made a
couple comments on your videos.

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I have all these inboxes from
people by my Kratom.

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You know, they're definitely, I
have some of those.

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But you know, some of the
vendors I've spoken to, I'm

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just, and they give it to their
own family.

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They take it.
I trust it.

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I trust it.
If you would give it to your own

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family, maybe not to yourself
because things into our own body

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that we wouldn't give to our
family.

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But I, I found it very helpful
to listen to all the, the

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stories on school and on TikTok.
Obviously I see them in my

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algorithm now.
But yeah, it's been, it's been a

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very interesting journey.
Like I can't believe it.

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I've heard you say that too.
Like every day.

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I can't believe this is real.
And it hey, it can't be the

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placebo effect for everybody.
Now, there's no way.

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And there's a plant that helps
the millions of people in the

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USI mean just in the US alone.
Well, going back to when you

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first heard about it, you said
that was three years ago.

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Do you remember like how old you
heard about it?

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I heard that it was.
Let me see.

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I heard of it.
It was actually work related.

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I want to I don't was they don't
consider it psychedelic, do

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they?
No, right, Because some people.

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Call it that, but it's not.
I was lumped in.

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Into a psychedelic assisted type
training.

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It was brought up in
conversation about they were

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calling it Kratom and they were
saying, you know, it's a little

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bit of a stimulant and and
higher doses is more like an

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opiate.
They made, They were a little

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bit more dramatic about it as
far as like the negative parts

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about it.
But I was like, hey, I I I don't

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want to be on this Adderall.
I don't want to take this every

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single day.
I don't I'm always, always

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looking for something to take
instead of these pills.

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Yeah, but I need something.
All right, I'm honest with

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myself, but I am definitely
honest with myself.

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I need something.
Something is definitely, you

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know, going on that.
But the but the pills just don't

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do it for me.
I always have a lot of side

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effects.
I don't remember to take them

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and then I just fall off and I
never really.

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So I was like, oh, let me try
it.

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And there was a three pack and
it was the brand super special.

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So they had a it was like a
white, green and a red.

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It was little tiny packets like
a little 3 pack or something.

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It might have been like 5 years.
It was a couple of years ago for

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sure.
And then I was like, I wanted to

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take a lot.
I wanted to feel relaxed.

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I it didn't work, I got sick.
I was like, this is disgusting.

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It is an interesting taste.
Some people say they like it and

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I, I, I don't know if you've
seen this long time ago, Jordan

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from New Hope had a TikTok video
of his mom taking a spoonful and

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she doesn't dry mouth with no
water.

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And I remember seeing that video
like and she says she likes it.

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She likes the taste and it's
like, Oh my God.

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And not even wash it down and
like I mean.

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Having that in your mouth, I
mean, I've had, you know, I've

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had it break off of into my
mouth and.

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Yeah, it is just.
I keep saying I want to make the

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tea, I want to make the tea and
drink it with a straw, but

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there's so many different ways.
Of consume it.

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I mean, I have what when I first
heard about it in 2019, I was

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like, well, OK, so it's this
powder.

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How do I consume this?
Like I'm looking like a what?

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What do you do with it?
And I went, I think I went to

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YouTube and there was this video
of this guy doing toss and wash

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where he just took the scoop of
the powder put in his mouth and

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then drink some water.
And I watched that going, I'm

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not going to do it like that.
That looks really gross.

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And I'd probably be like the
cinnamon challenge, like I'd be

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worried I'd inhale or coughing
up or whatever.

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So I, I started doing a bunch of
research and I was in a Facebook

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group at the time.
So I was brand new and I was

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asking people like, how do you
consume this?

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And when people were talking
about, you know, just mixing it

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with water, which is, you know,
what we call the swamp water tea

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method.
But then you said you just make

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get some warm water, mix it in.
Don't do it with cold water

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because it won't mix in cold
water, which is very true.

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And just, you know, mix it in
with some warm water and slam it

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down, put some juice in it.
Some people pick coffee or

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chocolate milk, like all kinds
of different things.

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So I just started experimenting
and it was really gross the

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first time I remember doing
orange juice cause a lot of

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people said orange juice and
there's warm swampy muddy water

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were with orange with hot drink
with cold orange juice.

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Not even.
Thinking about it, it was.

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Not pleasant when I almost puked
drinking that.

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00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,280
But once I started and it took a
little trial and error, but I, I

443
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,080
knew I had to figure this out.
But even though it tasted so

444
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,400
bad, I'm like, I can't believe
I'm trying to drink this stuff.

445
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,680
And it wasn't really helping at
first because I, I was using

446
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,120
red.
Everybody said red for pain.

447
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:21,320
And I'm like, why is this not
really this magic everybody's

448
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,400
talking about?
But I knew I had to stick with

449
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,120
it and not rush myself because I
had no alternatives at the time

450
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,920
unless I went and got a drug
dealer because, you know, losing

451
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,960
access to pain management is
scary.

452
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,880
And if you can't access the meds
you've been taking for nine

453
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,880
years every day to help your
pain, what are you supposed to

454
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,400
do?
The only thought I had was I'd

455
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,800
have to go find a drug dealer
and just buy them illegally and,

456
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,240
and no one should have to be put
in that position, like forced

457
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,520
into that position.
So I was really determined to

458
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,600
figure out this kratom thing.
But once it started working, I'm

459
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:57,080
like OK, it tastes bad but I'm
getting pain relief from a plant

460
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,200
which was just mind boggling at
the time.

461
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,360
Like I can't believe instead of
my Oxycontin I'm taking this.

462
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,080
But I just, I just got over it.
I said to myself, this is worth

463
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,120
it.
This is worth it to be able to

464
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:12,320
use a plant instead.
Absolutely.

465
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,040
It's worth it.
It's worth it.

466
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,000
You know, I'm very picky with my
food.

467
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,480
Again, relationship with food is
questionable at best.

468
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,440
It's worth it.
It's worth it.

469
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,720
It's worth it.
And my mind knows and I do the

470
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,520
blade papes and I do capsules,
mostly blade Papes because, you

471
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,640
know, capsules.
Yeah, of.

472
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:38,040
Them and stuff, but I actually
like the capsules from mate

473
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,480
metros.
Metrospect.

474
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,240
Which there's a new episode
coming out actually this week,

475
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,120
even though your episode will
come out after that.

476
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,080
But there's a new episode where
we actually talk about they're

477
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,200
capsules because they use vegan
capsules.

478
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,520
I got like a whole education on
this because when I first

479
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,880
started capsules, they didn't
really work well and I just

480
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,240
figured they weren't opening up
and got all those capsule shells

481
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,280
in your stomach anyway.
But most capsules are made with

482
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,400
animal byproducts, so they're
harder to digest gelatin.

483
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,160
Right, the gel.
Yes, gelatin.

484
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,840
So my interview with Dan, he
talks all about how they're

485
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,120
known for using the vegan
capsules, and it's actually made

486
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:23,320
with a tapioca starch called
Poland.

487
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,200
Yeah.
And so that that you know, so

488
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,080
I'm definitely more interested
in capsules that method.

489
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,560
And they are bigger.
They have more.

490
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:40,360
So for my traditional dose, like
I was out earlier and I grabbed

491
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,680
this, I bought a sample pack
from them, a bunch of different

492
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,720
kinds.
I threw it in my purse because I

493
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,040
couldn't take my dose until
after I had breakfast, of

494
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,400
course.
And I went out for breakfast

495
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,840
with my son.
So I took this and for 4/4 grams

496
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,080
it's about 55 capsules.
There's a lot.

497
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,800
More in them.
I think they were like 800

498
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,880
milligrams or something they
advertised, but I yeah, vegan

499
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,920
capsule polo, Polo Land or
whatever that yeah, yeah, these

500
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,000
are great.
I love them.

501
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,200
One of my favorite brands.
That's great.

502
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,680
That's awesome.
I'm so glad to hear that.

503
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,880
Yeah.
That is really interesting how

504
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,040
they're doing capsules that way,
which people rave about.

505
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,640
A lot of people are raving about
it and I've been trying their

506
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,800
their super love what they do.
Sarah and Dan are the husband

507
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,320
and wife duo that runs that
company, family run business and

508
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,680
love their their kratom products
and love that they do those

509
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,680
vegan capsules.
So that's that's great.

510
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,560
It's finding what works for you.
Bottom line, right, Leah?

511
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,720
It's like I I still do swamp
works.

512
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,480
I'm just so used to it.
It it's just part of my routine

513
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,520
and I just, it's just what I do
is see how.

514
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,400
That could work.
And I keep saying I'm going to

515
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,880
try it just because I know that
the straw is going to be a lot

516
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,560
better and it would be quicker.
But then again, you know, for

517
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:05,000
me, Madeline, you know, it's
taken from mental health more so

518
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,960
than the pain, right?
So I can get out of bed.

519
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,480
You know, it's not that I'm I
need that immediate just to get

520
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,280
moving.
I need to get moving up here,

521
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:21,440
you know, just like right.
I just, I, I will never get over

522
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,640
the fact of how it just does
different things for different

523
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,720
people based on what it's like.
It knows what you need.

524
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,640
And I, I, I only find that with
plant medicine and natural

525
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,800
products.
I psilocybin is the same way,

526
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,400
especially in the micro dosing
people that do micro dosing for

527
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,600
the, the magic mushrooms or
whatever.

528
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,600
It's very, very, very personal
to you.

529
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,920
I know people that, you know,
had neuropathy, it cured their

530
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,720
neuropathy, other people, and it
just does what you need.

531
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,720
It goes right to what you need.
And it goes back to the belief

532
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,360
that everything we need is
already provided on this earth.

533
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,440
You know, if you want to say God
or the universe, whatever, but

534
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,040
it's been provided already, you
know.

535
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,280
Yeah.
Were you expecting that you

536
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,880
would not need to take so many
pharmaceuticals after starting

537
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,000
using natural leaf kratom?
No, you were mentioning like.

538
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,080
Several different.
Pharmaceuticals you were taking,

539
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,240
is it OK?
That I mentioned the name

540
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,440
absolutely.
Absolutely.

541
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,360
I was taking.
Prozac Wellbutrin, Buspar

542
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:35,920
hydroxyzine as a PRN for anxiety
and I never say it right methyl

543
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,840
it like Concerta Ritalin type
for the ADHD.

544
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,280
So all those were yeah gone.
So you don't take any of them

545
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:49,560
not not a single one And
primarily I was taking it to

546
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,520
substitute for my Adderall
because I heard energy right

547
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,920
little bit of energy.
But then I realized like, like,

548
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,000
I don't want to die.
Like, I don't feel like, you

549
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,200
know, it would be OK if I didn't
wake up, which is chronic

550
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,120
suicidal ideation, as they call
it chronic SI had it since

551
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,520
childhood and now I don't have
it.

552
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,000
Like I, I was like, I
accidentally realized that it

553
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,600
was helping me with the
depression and anxiety, my PTSD

554
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,400
essentially.
So that was by accident, you

555
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,080
know, and I lost my back.
And also, you know, the IBS.

556
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,960
It's a it's, it's, I mean, I'm
always drinking.

557
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,280
And it forces you into self-care
it really.

558
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,480
Does a lot of people say that I
I I drink a lot of water too?

559
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,880
I mean I already was drinking a
lot of water but I definitely

560
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,120
drink more since I become a a
kratom consumer and that's not a

561
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,440
bad thing, no?
Exactly.

562
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:52,160
Every, every side effect that I
have gotten from it is, is for a

563
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,480
reason.
Either now or you took too much.

564
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,440
You can't take too much.
You know the side effects.

565
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,200
Well, you don't really need to
have that one drink.

566
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,680
You don't really need it.
You don't really need it.

567
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,080
It just forces me to take care
of myself, which is, yeah, I'm

568
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,440
great at taking care of others,
but when it comes to myself,

569
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:16,160
it's, you know, not as easy.
Yeah.

570
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:21,960
Well, the there's so many
positive side effects from it.

571
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,240
I mean, you're just been naming
the, the medications you were

572
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,520
able to stop.
It's just incredible.

573
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,080
So many times we hear negative
information on the Internet

574
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,520
about all these terrible side
effects, all these negative side

575
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,800
effects with kratom.
And sure, some people have them,

576
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,600
A lot of people don't.
Most people don't.

577
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,840
I, I don't have any negative
side effects from it.

578
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,960
I only have positive.
I like to raise awareness about

579
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,840
that with people because it is
it is a.

580
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,360
An amazing.
Plant that's that's saving lives

581
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,440
in so many different ways.
And I think that it it it helps

582
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,800
too, that, you know, people like
yourself, you know, you don't,

583
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,360
you don't come from a
background.

584
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,280
Oh, with the addiction problems,
you know, you're, you know, just

585
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:17,199
from a pain perspective.
So nobody can say, oh, yeah,

586
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,520
yeah, she says it's for pain,
but you know, she's probably

587
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,679
getting high.
Like that's not even something

588
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:25,280
that you do.
So it it definitely helps having

589
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,760
the perspective of, you know,
different people that use it and

590
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,719
why, you know, Jordan was the
one.

591
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,480
I didn't even know that it could
be used.

592
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,199
I mean, I've heard you know it
for like opiate withdrawal,

593
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:43,760
things like that, but I had no
idea about the cravings that it

594
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,840
just like kind of eliminates all
together.

595
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,960
I didn't know that.
But his transparency, of course,

596
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,120
I was like, wait a minute, like,
yeah, let me try.

597
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:54,880
Let let me.
And then I was like, you know

598
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,760
what?
Yes, I have not thought about

599
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,440
stopping for a six pack since I
started it.

600
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,240
I would drive by every day.
So I should stop and get a six

601
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:05,160
pack.
I wouldn't, but I would think

602
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,720
about it, right.
Oh, it's a nice day.

603
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,200
It's, you know, first day of
fall.

604
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,400
I should get a six pack.
Oh, it's a first day of summer.

605
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,680
I should get a sick every day.
And I've realized, you know

606
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,160
what?
Haven't even had this silly

607
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,320
thought in my head since I
started it.

608
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,120
I have not taken an Adderall
since the first day that I

609
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,840
touched kratom with the intent
of this.

610
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,320
Still sitting there.
Can't believe it.

611
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,200
That's powerful.
I was.

612
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,680
That's.
Very powerful every single day.

613
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,400
I was it.
I mean, it's not, I'm not proud

614
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,800
of it, but yeah, I was snorting
my Adderall every day for years.

615
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,560
Like, I don't know why I just
can't pop it, you know?

616
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,280
I have to be a little, you know,
you know, and I'm almost 50

617
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,160
years old and still playing that
game with myself, you know, like

618
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,000
very high functioning.
But I'll, I started Adderall in

619
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,480
the morning.
So it's, it's the, you know, the

620
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,520
high functioning.
The deal is, is, you know,

621
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,960
sometimes worse even when you're
able to just, you know, present

622
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,480
yourself as though everything is
great, but you know, behind the

623
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,040
scenes you're not.
I feel OK.

624
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,240
Now I do, I feel great.
I feel great.

625
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:20,000
I just wish that it was a little
bit more, you know, accepted in

626
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,760
society because I love to shoot
scream it from the rooftop, but

627
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,280
I also don't want to shoot it
from the rooftop.

628
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,560
And then someone like me says,
oh, I'm going to try create

629
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:34,920
them.
That sounds like a great idea.

630
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,480
And they wind up going in to a
smoke shop and walking out with

631
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,440
Feel Free.
It's literally what I what

632
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,360
happened to me.
I walked out with Feel Free.

633
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,840
And that wasn't what I really
wanted.

634
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,320
I just didn't know.
Just create em.

635
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,360
Just create em, yeah?
Well, that's why education is so

636
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,240
important and why me and some
other advocates are always

637
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,480
trying to educate others.
And some of the kratom companies

638
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:04,960
like Christopher's, like Jordan,
like Mitris Back, Sarah and Dan

639
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,600
are big with this, where let's
educate the public and give out

640
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,560
good factual information so
people have an understanding of

641
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,720
what this is.
So they're not walking into a

642
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:16,440
smoke shop where you have people
behind the counter that don't

643
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,080
know anything and just pointing
to a product when you say, hey,

644
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,080
I heard about this kratom, I
want to try it.

645
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,000
And many times right now in
2025, people are being directed

646
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,120
to 70 H products at the smoke
shop and being told this is

647
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,960
kratom too.
Oh yeah.

648
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,080
And I've seen them, now that I
know what they are, I I was

649
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,320
looking around to see if they
had it.

650
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,040
Of course they did.
Or at the counter.

651
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,160
Very appealing.
Very appealing to someone that's

652
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,360
looking to, you know, get high.
Absolutely.

653
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,160
I would have been all over that
when I was younger.

654
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,000
I would have been.
A lot of them have.

655
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,600
Drug names I know.
It was like we have Parker Opia

656
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:03,040
or something, like definitely we
know what you're trying to

657
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,520
insinuate.
Like Zanny bars.

658
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:11,520
I was like, but, you know, at
the same time, it's probably

659
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,960
safer than what's out on the
street, right?

660
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,240
Right, It most likely is
compared to like, you know,

661
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:22,080
things on the street like
fentanyl and whether other

662
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,440
drunks out there.
There just needs to be more

663
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,400
education.
People need to know what these

664
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,640
products are and just have some
understanding.

665
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,080
People are just so quick to just
consume something and have no

666
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,720
idea what it really is.
I see a lot of videos like on

667
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:40,360
Tiktok and YouTube or people
talk about their addiction to

668
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,240
kratom to seven O to feel free.
And every single time they they

669
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,600
all say the same thing.
Yeah, I just bought it and took

670
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,040
it.
I didn't even read what it what

671
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,160
it was.
They didn't research nothing.

672
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,400
And it's like, well, there's got
to be some accountability.

673
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,560
I mean, you know, you should,
you should know what you're

674
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,040
consuming and.
That's definite definitely the

675
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,520
case.
You know, for 7/7 OI, I've heard

676
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,240
enough of people that are
getting a lot of relief from it,

677
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:12,920
but I see much more.
Maybe it's just my algorithm

678
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:19,720
that you are struggling with it,
but it shouldn't be my, my, my,

679
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:23,240
my fault or, you know, my
problem that other people can't

680
00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:25,720
control and it shouldn't be
anyone's.

681
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,640
They, the liquor stores are
still open, right?

682
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,360
Right.
Liquor's still open.

683
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,880
That's the worst drug out there
in my opinion, and most widely

684
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,640
accessible, right.
And the start, you know, it's

685
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,800
the I believe, like that's the,
you know, what do they call a

686
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,120
gateway?
Gateway, you know, drug where a

687
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,680
lot of other drugs that, you
know, a lot of times every every

688
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,640
good story starts out with
alcohol, but they're still open,

689
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:57,320
you know that they're they're
still, you know, thriving.

690
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,760
So it shouldn't be, but but I
will also like, you know, like

691
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,240
you said, like the names are so
close that it's a gimmicky

692
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,480
almost.
It's gimmicky and it's with the

693
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,840
soul to attract, you know,
people that are trying to get

694
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,480
high.
Well, those manufacturers know

695
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,920
what they're doing.
Right, Exactly, exactly.

696
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,800
And I I mean, even if you want
to get high on kratom leaf, you

697
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,160
can't.
It's going to get you sick

698
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,560
first.
It's just not.

699
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,040
Exactly.
You're going to throw it up

700
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,080
before, before that happened.
I mean, but that's where

701
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:37,720
extracts, because they're potent
people are, are more prone to

702
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:40,520
have issues because, you know,
it's not going to make you sick

703
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,480
like leaf powder will.
Yeah.

704
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,040
Well, and then you can.
Consume a lot.

705
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,960
And then get into trouble.
It won't let me abuse it.

706
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,720
I tried and it keeps me in
check.

707
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,800
That's good.
That's really good.

708
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:57,360
Well, what are you doing?
How about you go throw up and

709
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,000
have?
Some food before you take any.

710
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:02,000
I love that.
Like how your body responds to

711
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,240
it.
That's just amazing.

712
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,880
I have a very.
I think I would say spiritual

713
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,800
connection with it, you know it.
It knows what I need when I need

714
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,360
it, and it's the only thing that
doesn't change.

715
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:18,280
Like alter my like, I don't say
it's me and my consciousness, my

716
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,640
sobriety.
If you that I actually like

717
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,440
like, Oh my gosh, let me see
what time it is.

718
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,120
Am I able to take my kratom yet?
And it's not because I'm high.

719
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,880
It it it it took away all that.
It took away the the yearning to

720
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:36,240
get up.
Yeah, away all together.

721
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:37,680
And it also doesn't get you
high.

722
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,760
So it's like I could see why
people over.

723
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,920
Why would you bother?
I don't it's it's just it

724
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,880
eliminated all that craving and
also doesn't get me high.

725
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,000
So happy without it.
That's a first.

726
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,280
That's a first in 49 years.
That's amazing.

727
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,600
You have such an amazing story
and, and it just, from

728
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,000
everything you're saying, it
just sounds like this is just

729
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,760
incredible for just your
day-to-day life.

730
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,640
I mean, you got family.
How has all of that changed

731
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,440
since kratom has come into the
picture?

732
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:15,920
Well, I, I would will say that I
am much more present.

733
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,520
You know, it's not that I
wouldn't be present, but to the,

734
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,720
the thoughts all day around, you
know, the intrusive thoughts

735
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:28,480
that go along with, you know,
certain mental health situations

736
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,600
and, or just being alive in
2025.

737
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,960
I don't know, like a lot of
constant, you know, around and

738
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,880
around and around.
And ADHD comes with executive

739
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,920
dysfunction, right?
Like not being able to like get

740
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,000
started on things.
So I'm a lot more ahead of

741
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,680
things.
Like, you know, the bills are

742
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:52,480
paid in advance, the house is
cleaner, You know, I meal

743
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,400
prepping where is like, I would
do it, but it would be such a

744
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,960
pain for me to do it.
And just everything, everything

745
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,280
is better on, on that front.
I have more energy at work.

746
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:09,920
I work about 70 hours a week.
So I need that energy and it's

747
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,440
energy without a crash.
It's there's no feeling of

748
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,040
coming down.
Like you mean the coffee

749
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,480
jitters.
It's just I'm, I'm more present.

750
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,880
I am.
I got the energy without feeling

751
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,000
like what the stimulant
medication does to you, which

752
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,480
isn't a good feeling.
Like you're up but you feel like

753
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,920
shaky.
I don't feel that way.

754
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,400
So I'm extremely productive at
work.

755
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,160
Just yeah, I'm just more
present.

756
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,960
Just more present physically and
mentally.

757
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,640
That's wonderful.
That's just so wonderful to hear

758
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,880
stories like this, like just
amazing positive experience with

759
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,200
a plant and doesn't.
Break the bank.

760
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,120
That's that.
That's really important.

761
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,800
And I definitely overdo it, like
so much.

762
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,240
But it's like, you know, I don't
feel it.

763
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:05,760
I don't feel guilty because it's
not, it's terribly expensive.

764
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,520
It's not.
It's not, Yeah.

765
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,640
And it's just not something like
you said before that you really

766
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,280
feel comfortable talking about
at work or talking to others

767
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,600
about just because of that.
What they would.

768
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,240
Perceive well.
Yeah, I mean, well, my, my one

769
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:26,080
job is a remote job.
I do utilization management for

770
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,160
for insurance company.
So I do like authorizations for

771
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,120
impatient mental health things
like that.

772
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,880
It's a very I'm not really
talking to anyone anyway.

773
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:40,640
I do have private small private
practice where I see clients and

774
00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:43,760
I.
Help.

775
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,720
But it ain't going to be me.
You're not going to hear it

776
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:52,320
coming from me only because what
if they do go into a smoke shop?

777
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,880
The guy says try this, They do.
And then now they're hooked.

778
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,640
And it was something that I put
in their ear.

779
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:03,000
I don't, I just can't do it.
And then, you know, you know, in

780
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,960
other ways, the rest of it's
just my business.

781
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,200
You know, it's my business.
I don't need to share my

782
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:13,480
personal business with them and
then with my family with my

783
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,200
substance abuse history.
If I say, oh, I got this Kratom,

784
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:21,400
they all they know is what they
see on the news, my family and

785
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,080
they go along with whatever they
see on their particular news

786
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,600
station.
Let's just say that.

787
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:32,160
So it's just not their business.
They don't understand and you

788
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:38,400
know, but I it's not, it's not
like that I'm ashamed or

789
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,680
anything like that, but it's
just my business.

790
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,560
I'm very private to begin with,
to begin with.

791
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,480
So just don't need the
conversation.

792
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,760
Tired of dealing with fighting
with ignorance.

793
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,520
It'd be more like.
I'm like I'm.

794
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,400
I'm maxed out with like, you
know, explaining when people are

795
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,520
committed to misunderstanding,
why waste your time?

796
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:06,160
So, but I think, you know, this
isn't going to go away.

797
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,640
I think it's only going to get
stronger.

798
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,080
The, you know, the amount of
people that see that it's

799
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,280
helping and it's not just, you
know, what you're hearing.

800
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,280
So I think just go, I think
we'll just move forward.

801
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,280
And I think that we just, we
need a lot more research studies

802
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,440
and projects.
And, you know, people in in

803
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,640
college, they need to do more
studies.

804
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:30,880
Yeah.
They.

805
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,120
They definitely, it would be
great to have more research on

806
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,520
it, but that's surprisingly been
quite a few studies on on it.

807
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,480
My understanding is right now
there's a study on, I believe

808
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,320
the FDA is involved with a study
on potential abuse of kratom.

809
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:49,920
So that'll be interesting to
see.

810
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,560
Like, you know what?
But I just find it interesting

811
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,320
that the FDA has done a single
dose study shows it's safe, but

812
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,440
they won't put it out there
because it shows that kratom is

813
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,080
OK, quite natural leaf kratom.
And I've been told by multiple

814
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,880
sources that the FDA was so sure
it was going to kill people.

815
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,080
It was going to hospitalize
people and people are going to

816
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,560
get super sick by, you know,
consuming.

817
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,800
And you know what's interesting,
with that study they did a few

818
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,240
years ago, it was actually
superspeciosis capsules, by the

819
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:22,680
way.
So kudos to them that they were

820
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:28,400
involved with that.
They had participants take 12

821
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,520
grams of capsules in a 5 minute
period.

822
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,440
So you talk about how you take 4
grams, I take about 5:00-ish.

823
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:41,440
So try to imagine having to take
enough capsules to equal 12

824
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,160
grams.
That would make me puke, I'm

825
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:45,160
sure.
Oh yeah, I'm.

826
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,680
I'm definitely going to get sick
from that for sure, but imagine

827
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,080
how.
Many capsule shells, that's

828
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,400
going to be in your stomach,
right?

829
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,680
And here's the worst thing that
happened.

830
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,200
A few people got nauseous.
That was the worst that happened

831
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,800
in this study that the FDA
conducted that most people don't

832
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,040
even know about.
So that's.

833
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,040
Why?
That's why they couldn't

834
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,840
schedule it right?
That's why they couldn't make it

835
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,600
a schedule one, because probably
so.

836
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,720
Probably.
That's probably because how, how

837
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:13,040
could they?
I mean, they're going after 70

838
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:18,400
H, but how could they schedule
natural leaf kratum when they

839
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,760
themselves were involved with a
study that shows that ingesting

840
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,520
12 grams in 5 minutes is not
going to hurt anybody?

841
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:30,560
You know you.
Know they.

842
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,560
They don't want to.
They don't want to get their

843
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,160
friends in Big Pharma upset,
right?

844
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,880
Right.
Well, it says interesting.

845
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,160
When you look at like people
when they leave the FDA, where

846
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,000
do they go work at?
It's always big pharma.

847
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,680
They get a big cushy high paying
job in big pharma.

848
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,640
Yeah.
And it's, you know, I don't

849
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,800
believe or trust anyone in the
government.

850
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,360
Yeah.
You know, totally understand,

851
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,600
never did.
But it's certainly not getting

852
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,320
you know, any different, but I I
I do.

853
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,840
I do hope that and and I do see
it too.

854
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,320
I do see that that it is known
out there.

855
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,400
You know there's a lot of people
that do do different sheep

856
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,480
between the seven O and leaf
kratom that are, you know,

857
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,520
higher up.
They do understand there's a

858
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,000
difference.
So that's a good thing.

859
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:25,360
Yeah, they should pull all those
off the shelf, those Smurf

860
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,880
looking thing like they're too
attractive to kids to young

861
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,160
people, they're too attractive.
Get them off.

862
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:37,040
There's there's a couple I I
guess of of of seven O vendors

863
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,160
online that they say they do
testing, but I like the

864
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,880
transparency and well, not not
on that anyway, but on my I love

865
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,080
that on the on the products that
I buy.

866
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,560
It says it especially
Christopher's botanical like it

867
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,760
says exactly.
I don't even know what old all

868
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,800
the ingredients really are, but
you could see right on there.

869
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,680
Everything's very transparent.
Scan a code on some of them on a

870
00:49:58,680 --> 00:49:59,760
lot.
Yep, Yep.

871
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,760
You can scan a code for their
testing.

872
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,240
And you know that's the only way
I'm I'm gonna ever do it with

873
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,040
the vendors that I have now.
I like that a happy hippo too.

874
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,640
I I've tried them as in the
past.

875
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,960
I think I have a whole order, a
couple of orders out for

876
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,600
delivery today.
I have one too.

877
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,560
I have order delivery.
I saw, I checked my e-mail.

878
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,560
I have a delivery coming today,
some more tablets.

879
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:25,200
Yeah, you know it.
I think it just, it's so

880
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,200
important to do your research so
you know what you're getting and

881
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,040
know that these are reputable
brands that you're buying from.

882
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,320
All the ones that you've
mentioned or all the ones that I

883
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,640
ones that I use that I recommend
because they're very

884
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,520
transparent.
They they lab test all their

885
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,160
products.
They put the QR code on there so

886
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,040
you can go see the certificate
of analysis and know exactly

887
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,160
what you're consuming.
I think that's incredibly

888
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:53,560
important, yes.
Yes, I would never buy it from

889
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,600
any of these people that are DM
and me.

890
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,120
I was like no thank you.
I've heard about, you know,

891
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,720
salmonella, lead and and other
things, you know, and then but

892
00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:07,640
but see, let's say I did and
then I get sick and I go to the

893
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:13,080
hospital and now Kratom, you
know, and it becomes, oh, well,

894
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:15,880
kratom makes you sick.
Kratom did this target you've

895
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,320
got poison you She's got.
Yeah, right.

896
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,160
But we have to look at the whole
picture.

897
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,480
What else was in my system?
Where did I get it?

898
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:24,600
What?
You know, there's a lot of

899
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:29,200
different factors that go into,
you know, people that died from

900
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:30,840
kratom.
Well, yeah, but they were also

901
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,040
taking this and this and this
and this and, you know, they

902
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,200
already had this going on in
their body.

903
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:42,920
So my labs have been fine.
I've had blood work probably

904
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,960
once since I've been on my full
time regimen here.

905
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,320
Fine, totally fine, a little
deficient in vitamin D.

906
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,560
That's got nothing to do with
the the kratom.

907
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,680
That's pretty most of us are.
That's a common.

908
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,680
Yeah, that's a common 1 is just
about everybody's deficient in

909
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,680
vitamin D That's why I take a
vitamin D supplement.

910
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,680
Yeah, a long time ago my doctor
said take a vitamin D supplement

911
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,520
because, yeah, a lot, most of us
are all deficient in that.

912
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,800
That's so incredible to hear
because I do the same thing.

913
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,760
I go to my doctor once or twice
a year.

914
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,520
I always get labs and I I've
told her that I take natural

915
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,160
kratom.
She didn't know anything about

916
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,200
it, but I've been educating her.
I feel good about that.

917
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,520
And she sees how well I'm doing
and how I don't have to take

918
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,480
narcotics.
I can take this instead for my

919
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,960
pain is she's and she's super
impressed and every time my labs

920
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,440
come back fine.
I don't you know, people like to

921
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,680
also say Kratom causes liver
damage.

922
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,400
Well, I mean things are going to
affect everybody differently and

923
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,160
somebody's going to consume
kratom that could possibly have

924
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,760
issues, but maybe there's a
history of problems.

925
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:53,200
Maybe their alcohol previous
alcohol use was already this

926
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:56,120
had.
More of a problem you.

927
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:03,040
Know I've I'm a healthy person,
I go to the doctor, I get labs

928
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,320
and my labs have not changed in
the 6 1/2 years I've been

929
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,080
consuming crate.
I mean I've consumed it every

930
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,760
day just like when I used used
the pain meds I every day

931
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,240
because I my this degeneration
is so severe.

932
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:20,120
I've got to take something or
I'm going to be like in bed not

933
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,840
able to move and being
miserable.

934
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,960
So I'm OK with that.
I understood what I got into

935
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,760
when I started pain management
years ago, but I need to take

936
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,760
something.
And I'm just super impressed

937
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,320
that I can consume this plant
every day and not have any

938
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,600
health issues because of
anything negative.

939
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,480
Labs are always great.
So it I I just think it's

940
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,320
amazing.
And I love that people like

941
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,960
yourself come on here and share
your incredible story because we

942
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,320
need more of these stories out
there so people know that this

943
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,160
plant changes lives.
Yeah, I mean.

944
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:58,320
I was curious to see the labs.
I was curious they, I did not

945
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,600
tell my doctor that I'm taking
it.

946
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,160
And there was absolutely nothing
different than the year before,

947
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,760
nothing different.
Everything was pretty much the

948
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,880
same.
It has affected, you know, so

949
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,920
far nothing negative.
And like I said, any, any damage

950
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,960
I could have done to my liver, I
wasn't very concerned about it

951
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:22,600
back in the day.
So we're fine and everything

952
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,840
affects your liver.
So if I'm taking 5

953
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,800
pharmaceuticals a day, you know,
I, I worked in, you know, for a

954
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,120
while I worked in, in Group
homes and these, these people

955
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,360
were on, you know, 1213
different psych meds for years,

956
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,960
you know, for decades.
None of them, none of them live

957
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:47,280
past 5055, maybe because they
all developed the, I've seen

958
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,720
twice now thyroid cancers.
They, they developed stuff and

959
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:54,720
I'm convinced that it's from,
you know, 1213 different meds

960
00:54:54,720 --> 00:55:00,400
they're on, you know, 2-3 times
a day, a lot of meds all day and

961
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,320
that they're dead.
I mean, I'm sure there goes

962
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:03,560
other, there's other parts to
it.

963
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,440
They don't have the healthiest
diet either.

964
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,040
But but when you're a group
home, you go for your check UPS,

965
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,240
you get your vaccine, you get
everything you're supposed to.

966
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,040
Why do you die early?
I don't know, just a lot of meds

967
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,560
processed through your liver,
right.

968
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:21,560
So I'll, I'll take, I'll take
the hit for the positive that

969
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,480
I'm getting from it, because
it's not about me.

970
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,040
What do I want to live to 110?
No, I I don't need to live that

971
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,000
long.
But the time that I have at

972
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:36,280
least this second-half of my
life, maybe I won't wish I was

973
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,480
dead.
Yeah.

974
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,880
And I think.
That that, that I'll take, I'll

975
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,680
take the, you know, take the hit
to the liver, not to want to die

976
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,760
every day.
This is such a great.

977
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,720
Conversation I'm so glad you
came on the podcast to to have

978
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,520
this discussion with me.
Last question I want to ask you

979
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,600
is knowing everything you know
about kratom, what advice would

980
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,520
you give to someone else to help
them get started in their own

981
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:08,320
journey?
I would definitely advise start

982
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:13,680
low, start low, start low.
More is not better.

983
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,120
Check out Madeline's approved
vendors list.

984
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:23,800
That's what I did, yeah.
Just just just start low and for

985
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,400
the first time, don't take it on
an empty stomach.

986
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,840
That that's just me.
That's my advice.

987
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,920
Other people are fine, but I got
really sick from, you know, not

988
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:41,440
taking it with food.
So, but give it a try and see

989
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,800
for yourself and take it with
intent, you know, take us.

990
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,640
I'm taking this to help myself
feel better.

991
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,440
I'm helping this for my pain.
I'm helping.

992
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,560
This is going to help.
This is going to help my

993
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,080
depression.
This is going to help my

994
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:54,920
anxieties.
This is going to help me clean

995
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,440
my house today.
I love that.

996
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,160
Leah, thank you so much for
being here.

997
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,440
Thank you so much.
For having me, I appreciate

998
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,840
everything that you do and and
the whole community.

999
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,120
Everyone seems lovely.
I I think I I think I've watched

1000
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:13,920
all of the create them gal
really nice have Yep.

1001
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,800
I I, I had him playing while I
was at work the other day and

1002
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,240
just let him play.
Yeah, it, you seem to have

1003
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:25,360
really created a very safe
environment that that we can all

1004
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,680
just come to.
Everyone's so helpful and I

1005
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,560
appreciate you and I appreciate
all the vendors that that that

1006
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,440
come on your show and that you
guys are great.

1007
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,520
I'm so grateful to be a part of
this.

1008
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,560
And you said for the first time
in my life, I just want to be

1009
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,280
alive.
Wouldn't be if it wasn't for

1010
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,200
kratom.
I love that.

1011
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,240
Well, thank you.
Appreciate all the nice words.

1012
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:48,840
Thank you.